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To: Salt'n'Peppa who wrote (91163)9/27/2007 9:22:16 AM
From: Wyätt Gwyön  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 206131
 
nice post. the abiogenic theory reminds me a lot of Creationism.



To: Salt'n'Peppa who wrote (91163)9/27/2007 9:57:37 AM
From: dvdw©  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 206131
 
all 9 recommendations, are doing what here?

here is the way oil is was and will always be formed....

www2.jpl.nasa.gov

your plankton scenario is absurd.



To: Salt'n'Peppa who wrote (91163)9/27/2007 3:25:39 PM
From: dvdw©  Respond to of 206131
 
Salt n pepper says hes a petroleum geologis so this post will expand on his post

Here are a few choice excerpts for your amusement, from a petroleum geologist's (that's me) perspective:

The first sentence is okay.
No respectable petroleum scientist thinks that oil comes from squashed dinosaurs. LMAO
If any organic matter, be it a dinosaur or a tree, becomes fossilized, that essentially means it has turned to stone. The organic matter has been replaced with minerals and preserved the shape of the original object. Solid stone. No oil. Get the picture? The author certainly doesn't!

Ans S&P is confused, fossilization and petrification are distinctly different conditions. Petrification is accretion by minerals that results in a stone look and feel. Traditional fossils as bones are not accreted as the geologist describes. In fact the specific gravity of bone as in fossil bone and petrified bone are distinctly different.

Say what?
The biological origins of oil formation have been proven scientifically, both chemically and practically, time and time again. Modern analogs (living reefs, rivers, estuaries, deltas) have been used repeatedly, and with great success, to successfully find oil deposits.

Ans. Nonsense and as to the analogs thats a horrible analogy.
Complete and utter bunk.
Russia's oil fields produce conventional oil and gas, largely found by Western oil companies using western oil know-how. I know many, many western oilpatch folk who work in Russia. It is all conventional oil. Nothing abiotic about it.

ANS. Your just assuming your right about biogenesis of rock.number of people agreeing with you proves nothing. The earth was flat, and everyone agreed with that, even the worlds experts at the time.

The above is impossible for several reasons.
1) If the pressure and temperature are high enough to form diamonds from carbon atoms, then any hydrocarbon molecules present in that environment will do exactly that - form diamonds, not oil.

Ans. You cant know that, the variability of specific circumstances are too wide for generalization.

2) "Western oil theory" and geochemistry have proven, with controlled experiments, empirical data and a vast amount of physical drilling data, that hydrocarbon chains form under very specific pressure and temperatures, commonly called the oil window. Google it for details.

Ans. Mr J F Kenny proves the same thing with his lab tests using Fisher Tropsch. In fact his geophysics are far better at describing his case than your surmises do yours.

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What this guy doesn't tell you in his article is that the White Tiger oil field of Vietnam is an upthrusted block of fractured basalt, into which oil from a younger, but now lower-lying sedimentary block has seeped and pooled.

Ans; Thats speaks to processes that did the overturning. Do you know whether this is an underwater basin that might be described later as a crater? No you cant know because the information is incomplete. Crater rims are often dissolved by time and conditions, but some process did the uplifting you can assume it was volcanic, but can not prove it was not something else.

Here is an excerpt from a paper on White Tiger:
aapg.confex.com
"A complex of geological, geochemical and analytical investigations of oils and rocks of White Tiger (carbon isotopic composition, gas chromatography, chromatography-mass spectrometry, biomarkers studies, “Rock-Eval”), allowed to make a conclusion, that oil of unique White Tiger field has biogenic genesis - main source rocks are oil-producing Oligocene rocks, characterized with high organic matter content."

Ans. This detail: " A complex of geological, geochemical and analytical investigations of oils and rocks of White Tiger (carbon isotopic composition, gas chromatography, chromatography-mass spectrometry, biomarkers studies, “Rock-Eval)"
Proves only that fluids are accretive, all these tests do is identify contaminants in the accreted fluids. This field may certainly have found itself where it is, after hundred of miles of migration to this vacuum waiting to be filled. Along the way, accretion between solid and fluid is ongoing, which does not make a rock oil bearing, it makes it a contributor too oils contamination, by the source rock which may contain the specific contaminants.

Well of course it would be absurd. Once again, oil is not formed from squashed dinosaurs.

ANS Well most kids are still hearing this garbage at school, and most adults believe it. Where are you on record of setting the public straight outside of this posts admission?

Oil is largely formed from the rich organic ooze that is metres thick on every ocean floor and is continually being buried by fresh sediment. It consists mostly of plankton and many other microscopic species that are in extreme abundance in the world's oceans.

ANS: Prove it. There is no way chemically for these organics to transform into hydrocarbons.

As they die, their little bodies sink to the ocean floor.
Collectively, this easily provides the volume of organic matter described above.
IT HAS BUGGER ALL TO DO WITH SQUASHED DINOSAURS!

Thats for certain.

Thanks for a great laugh.
I enjoyed making this post. So did I.

Cheers all, back at ya.
S&P

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