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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (16433)	9/27/2007 11:25:43 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Hidden hand "George Soros is known for funding groups such as MoveOn.org that seek to manipulate public opinion. So why is the billionaire's backing of what he believes in problematic? In a word: transparency," Investor's Business Daily says in an editorial. "How many people, for instance, know that James Hansen, a man billed as a lonely 'NASA whistleblower' standing up to the mighty U.S. government, was really funded by Soros' Open Society Institute, which gave him 'legal and media advice'? "That's right, Hansen was packaged for the media by Soros' flagship 'philanthropy,' by as much as $720,000, most likely under the OSI's 'politicization of science' program," the newspaper said. "That may have meant that Hansen had media flacks help him get on the evening news to push his agenda and lawyers pressuring officials to let him spout his supposedly 'censored' spiel for weeks in the name of advancing the global warming agenda. ... "That's not the only case. Didn't the mainstream media report that 2006's vast immigration rallies across the country began as a spontaneous uprising of 2 million angry Mexican-flag-waving illegal immigrants demanding U.S. citizenship in Los Angeles, egged on only by a local Spanish-language radio announcer? "Turns out that wasn't what happened, either. Soros' OSI had money-muscle there, too, through its $17 million Justice Fund. The fund lists 19 projects in 2006. One was vaguely described involvement in the immigration rallies. Another project funded illegal-immigrant activist groups for subsequent court cases. "So what looked like a wildfire grass-roots movement really was a manipulation from OSI's glassy Manhattan offices. The public had no way of knowing until the release of OSI's 2006 annual report. "Meanwhile, OSI cash backed terrorist-friendly court rulings, too. "Do people know last year's Supreme Court ruling abolishing special military commissions for terrorists at Guantanamo was a Soros project? OSI gave support to Georgetown lawyers in 2006 to win Hamdan v. Rumsfeld — for the terrorists."

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (16433)	9/27/2007 11:50:21 AM
From: Skywatcher	Respond to of 36917

Gaia guru urges ocean pipes to fix Earth's climate By Ben Hirschler2 hours, 20 minutes ago A series of giant pipes in the oceans to mix surface and deeper water could be an emergency fix for the Earth's damaged climate system, the scientist behind the Gaia theory said on Wednesday. James Lovelock, whose Gaia hypothesis that planet Earth is a living entity has fuelled controversy for three decades, thinks the stakes are so high that radical solutions must be tried -- even if they ultimately fail. In a letter to the journal Nature, he proposes vertical pipes 100 to 200 meters long and 10 meters wide be placed in the sea, so that wave motion pumps up water and fertilizes algae on the surface. This algal bloom would push down carbon dioxide levels and also produce dimethyl sulphide, helping to seed sunlight-reflecting clouds. "If we can't heal the planet directly, we may be able to help the planet heal itself," Lovelock, of the University of Oxford, and co-author Chris Rapley, from London's Science Museum, said. The two scientists argued it was unlikely any of the well-intentioned technical or social schemes for limiting carbon would restore the planet's status quo. International climate experts have warned that global warming, blamed mainly on greenhouse gases emitted by burning fossil fuels, will bring more droughts, heatwaves, floods and rising sea levels. Commenting on Lovelock's idea, Brian Hoskins, professor of meteorology at the University of Reading, said it was scientifically sound but there were huge unknowns. "This is the latest in a line of geo-engineering solutions," he said. "In my opinion, our uncertainties over the likely regional impact of what our greenhouse gas emissions may do is high. The uncertainties over what these solutions may do is an order of magnitude higher."

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (16433)	9/27/2007 2:44:29 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 36917

Thanks for that link.. I see the conference is actually taking place now.. got the video up and running (but they are currently on break).. Good to see that the topic it AT LEAST being discussed and not shoved under the scientific carpet. Btw.. pumping CO2 into the ground is a ridiculously expensive proposition, IMO.. Now, possibly, lovelock's suggestion to circulate nutrients up from the ocean bottoms via pipes might be plausible, but it's inflexible. Once the pipes are in place, there's a risk of over-fertilization. I think it makes more sense to do it via ship, that way you have more control over the process. Hawk