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To: Elroy who wrote (243621)	10/1/2007 10:33:38 AM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

No, it was a recipe for the Iraqis gaining self determination to do what they want with their lives rather than live under an oppressive hated dictator. They had a choice, and many have chosen to murder each other rather than live under Iraqi leadership that the majority of Iraqis elected. It's only a recipe for disaster if the Iraqis themselves are a disaster. I understand why you would think that way. You can not stand that the US did anything wrong. You say, self determination with a US installed government. When will you get it through your little brains, that the US do not give a shit about what Iraqi do, live or die as long as the oil is flowing. And no the Iraqis did not have a choice. Wake up Elroy. I guess everyone is fasting and you are left alone in the office. No, they were seen as a new source of power for the new Iraqi leaders of Iraq. Those now out of power Iraqis that want to rule Iraq but were not elected to do so killed the Iraqi police recruits. It's a pursuit of power by Iraqis to rule over other Iraqis that drives them to kill each other, not American intervention. The American intervention seeks to stop that inter-Iraqi bloodshed, and encourage them to live amongst each other as do most normal humans. Killing innocent Iraqis is not an example of resisting traitors, its pure and simple pursuit of power over their fellow man. You do not get it, do you? Regardless of the US is offering, they are an invade power that does not care about the people of Iraq. The US only cares about its interests. America is free, so your question is not relevant. Most Iraqis hated Saddam and wanted him gone, but had no mechanism to get rid of him. The last thing anyone (even Arabs) expected was for Iraqis to start wholesale killing EACH OTHER in order to protest the removal of Saddam. The decision to kill other Iraqis rather than live together under their Iraqi government is an Iraqi decision, and they bear the consequences of that decision. Yes everyone hated Saddam for 30 years. Ask yourself why wasn't he move/kill earlier? He was tow the US line. Oh Elroy, everyone knew the consequence of the power vacuum in Iraq. There was a taste of it back in the 90s after the first Gulf war. <i.You ignored the key part of my post. Without foreign influence "shoved down their throat", Dubai would not exist. If Dubai had been left without foreign influence & protection, all of the UAE would have been swallowed up by Saudi Arabia. The only reason the UAE exists at all is because foreign influence (oh bad bad bad!) created it in the first place. So go ahead, if you think Dubai is a nice place in the Arab world, lets hear you praise "outside powers" for creating it. Write a paragraph of praise, this should be interesting to read. No it was not shoved down their throat. However, it will be pointless to argue that point. As if you not working there.