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To: tejek who wrote (353121)	10/1/2007 6:46:10 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1587811

He was contained and prevented from invading other countries but that containment and prevention involved US troops in Kuwait and SA and the whole Muslim world believing we were killing 50K Iraqi babies every year. You have previously argued our troops in SA were an unconsciouable provocation that offended the Muslim world and produced terrorism, yet now you are citing the containment of Saddam (which included our troop presence) as a good thing which made the removal of Saddam unnecessary. You don't mind contradicting your own positions do you or do you realize that you have? the troops in Kuwait were a fraction of what they are now.......and so were the costs. 50K Iraqi babies? First I've heard that one. Then you haven't been paying attention to the ME very long. It was a standard theme of anti-American propaganda back prior to the IRaq war. Popular not just in the Arab media, the leftwing media allover the world trumpeted the claim. There were UN officials involved with the sanctions who resigned rather than assist the "genocide". **I am not contradicting myself.....SA is Mecca to the Muslims. They see having troops on Mecca soil as an abomination. Not the same with Kuwait.....in fact, many Arabs hate the Kuwaitis because of their uppity ways. So it was okay to contain Saddam with troops in Kuwait but bad to put troops in SA. Of course, prior to the liberation of Kuwait from Saddam, which you have described as one of our sins against the Arab world, we had to put troops in SA to protect it from Saddam. As to whether US troops in SA were an affront to the whole Muslim world, just post where someone other than OBL or other spokesperson complained about the issue. --------------------------- There has been poll after poll that clearly shows the degradation of the American image throughout the world. As for the three countries you cite, they elected conservatives; not neocons...with the possible exception of Sarkozy. And mark my words, if Sarkozy continues on his present course, the French will hate him just as much as the Americans hate Bush. The distinction between conservative and neocon is a liberal myth. At any rate, the new govts in Canada, GErmany, and France are much friendlier to the Bush adm. and its policies than their predecessors. Maybe anti-Americanism just isn't that big an issue to foreigners as our leftsists wish. -------------------- That isn't factual. Arabs wiped out the centuries old Hebron Jewish community. A number of other Jewish communities were wiped out or driven out. The Jewish population of Jerusalem was almost cut off and put in danger of destruction. A number of villages in Galilee that had held a Jewish peasant population which had never left Palestine were driven out of their homes by Arab violence. Link please. jewishvirtuallibrary.org en.wikipedia.org eretzyisroel.org en.wikipedia.org ------------------------------------- Wilson isn't a Republican. Nor is his wife. Maybe not now but they once were. There are a lot of FORMER Republicans.....understandably. Wouldn't know. Am a former Democrat. Like losts of Republicans today. He was sent to Niger on a boondoggle which accomplished nothing except confirming that Iraq had sent a trade mission to Niger (which has uranium, camels, and dates and thats about it to sell). Think Iraq was shopping for dates and camels? Its Cheney's boondaggle. So was the Iraqi trade mission Wilson confirmed after dates and camels? ------------------------------------ You're a partisan looking for excuses for your pathological hostilities. Tenet and Pollack pushed hard for the war. Pollack's book convinced me. Hardly. If you are not partisan, you don't have to look far to find things to hate about Bush. I am proud to say I disliked Bush on the campaign trail and voted for Gore. After he got elected, I grew to hate him. By your own admission you're a parisan opposed to Bush from the beginning. If Bush hadn't gone to war, you could hate him for allowing Saddam to remain in power and cite all the Clinton era evidence of Saddam's WMD programs. ----------------------------- Re. identifying and learning from mistakes, I find that meaningless from someone who presents everything the US has done as a mistake.