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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (243776)	10/3/2007 1:19:35 AM
From: Don Hurst	Respond to of 281500

>>" If 10% or 20% of a religion supports terrorism, then I have plenty to worry about for real. "<< Thirty (30) percent of the Israeli population wants Rabin's terrorist assassin pardoned as in FREED and Israel has 300 nukes and during their summer holidays in 2006 they decided to blow up Lebanon. Nothing to worry about there "for real".

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (243776)	10/3/2007 10:46:51 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"If you admit that we are not talking about fringe groups here but a solid minority, then all your shows of indignation about what conclusions I or anyone else draws about Muslims needs to go away. If 10% or 20% of a religion supports terrorism, then I have plenty to worry about for real." You can certainly worry to your hearts content but I wont take responsibility for your unrealistic fears. A while back, after seeing multiple condemnations from you that Muslims don't speak against terrorism, I presented a long list of such condemnations by dozens of spokespersons and groups. Your only consideration was that none of them seemed recent. So, I presented an recent article published by a large grass roots group of Muslims in America. The article declared it's love for America, American principles and condemn terrorism in all forms. You responded with a complaint that the group was founded by fundamentalists coming out of Egypt influenced by the Islamist Brotherhood. You insist that it is a front group for terrorism based on the article you used to support your complaint. The article, however, concluded the opposite. I call that propoganda but I know you don't care and will dismiss that as name calling ... again. The Egyptian culture is diverse and is a mix of Western Ideas and radicalism. Its Western government is very corrupt government. It is a common joke among Egyptians that if you want to go into 'free enterprise' business you will have a partner who's last name is Mubarak, not president Mubarak who it seems is destined to be a life long president but his son who is destined to be elected to president when Hosni Mubarak steps down. Laws have been changed to guarantee this outcome. Guess who the only significant protesters are for this corruption. You don't have to because you know it is representatives from the Islamic Brotherhood. They protest injustice and corruption and are often imprisoned for it. Yes, extremists and even terrorists have been produced from that unpleasant circumstance. But I wouldn't go along with you and declare everyone of them a terrorist, or refuse to consider any possible good that could come from the group because of the bad apples. Henry Ford was an extreme anti-Semite, do you ride around in a horse and buggy to avoid the auto manufacturing front groups? There is a way out of your fear and loathing Nadine. It is by uniting against terrorism and extremist descrimination, not by becoming one your self. Your type of extremism is descriminatory, unjust, and based in propoganda. This for example is so over the top bigotry that even you in the wee hours of the night recognize it your self... tsk Claiming to opppose "terrorism" and "taking of innocent life" across the board when in fact - as you just admitted - one opposes only the taking of Muslim life is taqqiya, and the term is most properly applied. It is a Muslim trying to say something which has one meaning for Muslims while persuading the infidel it means something else completely. It is a Muslim trying to persuade infidels that he doesn't support violent jihad against the infidel when in fact, he does. No. It is a man, maybe the only honest man you know, trying to tell you that the majority of Muslims/people in the world hate injustice no matter who the perpetrator is or who the victims are affiliated with. You and only you are denying that pleasant truth for yourself. No terrorist is to blame for that. You have become what you condemn in your unquenchable desire to persecute any and all Muslims. When you accept that unpleasant fact about yourself, you may truly be able to help your friends in Israel. When we unite against evil we can defeat it. When we let it divide us, we succumb to its power and in fact we become a part of it. Unity is as much a part of God's word as any other word is. The answer to the question that both you and Peter have refused to answer is 'fall'. United we stand, divided we 'fall'. It's an American principle and a good one. Too bad you don't believe in it but no one is stopping you from changing that belief, only your dogmatic loyalties and fear stand in your way.