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To: stockman_scott who wrote (243900)	10/3/2007 8:43:43 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

lol The troops want to come home.... Duh!

To: stockman_scott who wrote (243900)	10/3/2007 11:32:10 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

John Zogby, CEO of the polling company, said the poll was funded through Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies, which received money for the project from an anonymous, anti-war activist, but neither the activist nor the school had input on the content of the poll. Would they have needed to? Zogby is the same guy who called 2004 for Kerry. Loudly. Several times. Starting several months before the election, if I recall, and continuing right up through election day, when his exit polls brooked no doubt. You have to look at what questions were asked. If Zogby asked the troops, "would YOU like to come home within a year?" 100% will say yes. If he asked, "would you like the US to come home within a year?" vs some question that asked "or stay forever", certainly most will want the US to leave, especially if they are allowed a caveat like, "if conditions permit". Doesn't mean they support the position, "it's hopeless, we're not doing any good, pull out instantly" - which is the way it's being spun - this being the part where the "anonymous anti-war activist" gets his money's worth. I notice that Zogby hasn't published the raw data. Since most people don't look at the raw data, there isn't very much risk to Zogby to do so, unless perhaps the data really don't support the headlines.

To: stockman_scott who wrote (243900)	10/4/2007 1:09:32 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

A nation of John Kerrys “I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.” — John Kerry, March 17, 2004, Huntington, W.Va. Well, two can play that game. The Gallup Poll surveyed Americans and found 66% favor the Bush plan to keep 130,000 troops in Iraq. The poll also showed 63% favor the Democratic plan to withdraw most of the troops by next summer. Gallup’s Frank Newport: “Looking at this more closely, the data show that a substantial number of Americans (45%) favors both plans.” Lest I be accused of misstating things, the questions were: 1. Do you favor or oppose a plan to reduce U.S. troop levels in Iraq from roughly 170,000 to about 130,000 by next summer, without making commitments for additional troop reductions until that time? 66% favor, 30% oppose. 2. Do you favor or oppose a plan that would withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq within nine months’ time, with any remaining U.S. troops serving in Iraq only filling support roles? 63% favor, 34% oppose. Waffles: They’re not just for politicians any more. The upside? Gallup found 2 things most Americans agree on in Iraq. The full poll story is here. blogs.dailymail.com