To: TimF who wrote (353639 ) 10/5/2007 5:57:30 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1578105 Again your attacking an argument that I'm not making. Every time someone posts an article that states this economic recovery is a weak one, you jump in and contend its a strong one. When someone then tries to defend their position, you object to the indicator they use in their defense. And it doesn't seem to matter what indicator they choose......you make every effort to negate it.A lot of those things can be indicators of economic growth, none of them are perfect proxies for it. Maybe not when they stand alone but when you see several of them agreeing......it may not be perfect but you definitely have a proxy. As for high paying jobs I said nothing about them not being an indicator of growth, they would certainly be a better indicator than federal revenues (which wouldn't even be a great indicator if the tax laws didn't change, and which becomes a poor indicator when you have tax cuts or increases). The reason people bring up federal revenue is because Bush claimed that granting the upper classes tax cuts would generate more spending and more economic activity, ultimately stimulating federal revenue growth and making up for revenue lost from the tax cuts. That hasn't happened. It didn't happen under Reagan and it hasn't happened under Bush. My point is that high paying jobs have increased in number, not decreased. True. No one is disputing you that fact. However, their percentage of total jobs produced has been noticeably smaller than in prior recoveries.The best indicators are probably real GDP, and real GDP per capita. Increases in those are direct representations of economic growth (with the later obviously being per capita growth). They aren't perfect either, because the data going in to the calculations isn't and can't be perfect, but obvious some unusually strong fault in a particular series of data those would be the best stats to use, if the question is something like "Is the economy growing?" or "How fast is the economy growing?" Without good job growth, no recovery can be considered strong. And this recovery has experienced mediocre job growth at best.