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To: TobagoJack who wrote (23514)	10/5/2007 3:02:15 PM
From: ssteamer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 217619

TJ, I must first say I enjoy your posts and wisdom more than anyone else that when I read but the question of "quality" of an item I am involved with from Chongqing, China begs to differ. This old engineer was asked to reconstruct a most efficient mechanical log splitter designed many decades ago and the blueprints and specifications were quite complete: material specifications, hardnesses of materials,bearing alignment specifications clearly defined from this small New Hampshire company. The first containers of splitters/parts that came in had a rejection rate of about 40%, much discussion and litigation have occured as many of the parts were outshopped and of such poor quality as to cause dismay. Constant contact, two trips to the factory and finally the use of local american shops to create specific "in spec" parts is continuing in this small operation. However to the few owners/investors involved on this small project it has been most frustrating as the orders far exceed the number that can be put together from what has been shipped. Small part outsourcing to very unskilled vendors must be very common in China and it is those parts that have failed miserably. Reminds me of Japanese goods shortly after WWII. Am sure things will get better as they progress. Always thanks for your insights, Old ME

To: TobagoJack who wrote (23514)	10/5/2007 3:04:07 PM
From: ssteamer	Respond to of 217619

TJ, I must first say I enjoy your posts and wisdom more than anyone else that when I read but the question of "quality" of an item I am involved with from Chongqing, China begs to differ. This old engineer was asked to reconstruct a most efficient mechanical log splitter designed many decades ago and the blueprints and specifications were quite complete: material specifications, hardnesses of materials,bearing alignment specifications clearly defined from this small New Hampshire company. The first containers of splitters/parts that came in had a rejection rate of about 40%, much discussion and litigation have occured as many of the parts were outshopped and of such poor quality as to cause dismay. Constant contact, two trips to the factory and finally the use of local american shops to create specific "in spec" parts is continuing in this small operation. However to the few owners/investors involved on this small project it has been most frustrating as the orders far exceed the number that can be put together from what has been shipped. Small part outsourcing to very unskilled vendors must be very common in China and it is those parts that have failed miserably. Reminds me of Japanese goods shortly after WWII. Am sure things will get better as they progress. Always thanks for your insights, Old ME

To: TobagoJack who wrote (23514)	10/5/2007 4:51:25 PM
From: Gib Bogle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217619

Here in NZ (and I presume the same applies elsewhere) we see several long-established companies with "good names" that have decided to cash in on their reputations. They have farmed out all their production to China, and are now making out like bandits because productions costs have dropped but they've been able to hold their prices up pretty well. The emphasis in design seems to be on cutting manufacturing costs, and as you suggest, another way they increase profitability is by reducing (eliminating?) quality control. When a device fails (e.g. lately an electric kettle and a toaster) I reserve my anger for the rip-off companies who are making the big money, not the Chinese factories who are just acting as instructed.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (23514)	10/5/2007 10:06:23 PM
From: Dr. Voodoo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 217619

>>Note, both Hondas and Buicks are manufactured in China, one wonderful, the other crap. There is a lesson in there for you, as home work. arguably one must admit that each is targeted toward a different demographic of the auto market, as the piece of crap remains domestic, yet the wonderful, by rule, rather than exception is shipped overseas. oddly the one shipped overseas is that which is most coveted domestically.... despite long running contempt for the maker, who nonetheless isn't hopping about waving hands and otherwise acting like a jackass because the cheesy doorlock design wasn't a hit with customers.. for some reason, despite having shat upon their future economic masters in previous generations, they now tend to keep a low profile, all the while drinking at the same trough where the less couth can't seem to suck up and take responsibility for their own gluttony... In fact, i would be willing to bet the ilaines of the world would be shocked to know how much/how many of her favorite asian brands are comming right out of the same hands that are manufacturing pot metal lamps and cheapo vacuums with fancy names like toshiba, honda, etc... Yet the fact that those coffers are rapidly filling up with T-bills hasn't yet sunk in either... hmmm....