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To: carranza2 who wrote (23538)	10/5/2007 5:02:12 PM
From: Gib Bogle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217662

"Mq, you cannot be serious about this." Duh!

To: carranza2 who wrote (23538)	10/5/2007 5:21:57 PM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217662

>>You don't honestly think that an adolescent boy is well equipped to deal with a complex world whereas an adolescent girl's ability has diminished because her brain has stopped growing<< It's the other way around. Adolescent girls are better equipped than boys because their brains mature earlier. The frontal cortex in human males doesn't mature until about age 22. (At least that's how it worked for me! <g>)

To: carranza2 who wrote (23538)	10/5/2007 7:17:29 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 217662

C2, leave aside the prejudices about women and think what what actually is. Failing to recognize facts and developmental timetables leads to faulty decisions. I don't know why you would support harming girls and women. Each individual should be helped to blossom to their full potential, not held back merely because they are female or a certain age. Men don't do better if women are held back, hobbled and have one arm tied behind their back and made to be second class citizens. It's better if more people can achieve their potential. I know a lot of misogynists think women SHOULD be treated badly, but don't be dragged into their evil by believing silly fashionable nonsense about males and females being the same. It's bad enough that children are collectivized and forced into a lock-step education system where individual development and intellectual abilities and interests are largely unrecognized and compliance is the dominant requirement of the "education" process. But to also ignore gender effects is worse. An early-development high-horsepower female will apparently be exceedingly good at spelling and colouring in, but will be unchallenged and under developed. Her neuronal links won't be fully used. She will never be able to foot it with the late-developing males in maths, physics and stuff. But it's not just gender. Males don't all develop at the same rate either. Each person is an individual and needs individual development according to their situation, talents and interests. I know we old geezers are supposed to have wisdom and a growing fund of knowledge, but I notice that if I ask myself something about things learned and understood long ago, there is a blank space. If I try to think of the streets in Ottawa, where I haven't lived for 30 years, I have a rough shape to the city in my mind and can think of a few main names, but "a growing fund of knowledge" is not quite true. More is leaking out than is going in and what does go in, doesn't stick. Brains have a growth period, during which they might or might not get the right nutrients, care and attention, interest and experiences. Once they have grown, they can't learn fully new things. They can learn new things which fit old patterns, but they have great difficulty with totally new stuff for which foundations were not built in childhood. I gave you the example of language. We all know that to be really top at a sport for example, there's no use taking it up in adulthood. It requires intuitive feel for the basics from a young age. Tiger Woods didn't take up golf when he was 18. He was at his peak then. After that, he went on to acquire the wisdom and depth of knowledge you mention. To be a top chess player, waiting until puberty to start learning is too late. One can only reach part way to one's potential. Females are fully grown three years younger than males. That makes a BIG difference since they are adults by about age 14 [individual growth ranging around that average]. When I was 15, I had to sit on cushions to see over the steering wheel [got my driving licence the day I turned 15]. I'm quite serious! Don't be prejudiced about girls. They are NOT the same as boys. Neither are boys all the same. But if there's going to be collectivisation, it shouldn't just be by age. Which is not to say that inflicting physics and maths on girls at a younger age would necessarily make them all think it's better than Barbies, but those who might think it's a lot of fun, would at least get a chance. Mqurice

To: carranza2 who wrote (23538)	10/5/2007 10:49:32 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 217662

But differences based on sex? Bah. I'd look elsewhere for explanations, if there are indeed any. Speaking anecdotally, since I've gone through menopause I feel like I got some brain power back, that I lost in part after menarche, and then (in spades) during pregnancy. I feel like I have, not only more brain, but more energy, since all that estrogen went away. Unfortunately, I also lost the edge that testosterone gives, so it's a mixed bag. To me, it feels a lot like being a kid again. But I do agree about the wisdom thing. Since I lost the testosterone, I no longer feel like beating people on the head until they quit moving (speaking metaphorically only of course) but I compensate in other ways. As the saying goes, "old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill." ;^)