To: sea_urchin who wrote (16635 ) 10/6/2007 11:23:23 AM From: Doug R Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250 Searle, They are identified. You seem to think the "trail" goes beyond the people I've named. That it "disappears". There is no reason to think that. Have you ever walked to the end of a trail? It stops at the end because that's where the trail goes. It "seems" to disappear after that because you're at the end. Those people are at the end of the trail for the simple reason that they ARE where the trail leads. It's the same people at the end of the trail in most atrocities. "...but does that mean they are criminals?!" Yes. They are organized and they have directed the killing of millions of people for gaining and keeping personal power and wealth. If you think there's nothing wrong with that then you might well say "as they should be". That's certainly what they believe themselves. But saying "as it should be" is quite a fallacious presumption in my opinion. In answer to your faith that a movie, "Eyes Wide Shut" is the place to go for answers, I'll stick with reality: JFK on the "bad guys"...who were then referred to, by him, as "secret societies": "...we are opposed, around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence...on infiltration instead of invasion...on subversion instead of elections...on intimidation instead of free choice...on geurillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations." He continues by pointing out that they were, at that time, well hidden. That is no longer the case however. "It's preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."youtube.com It wasn't that long ago that the existence of the Bilderberg Group...and even the CFR...was known to only a few outside these groups. Mainstream media was adamant that these groups did not exist. Times have changed. Leading people to think that they cannot be named because they are too "shadowy" is their last line of defense. They can be and have been individually named.