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To: Proud_Infidel who wrote (244524)	10/10/2007 11:01:02 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You are lying again. Since you are repeating the same oft repeated lie that I have exposed repeatedly there is no need and I am certainly under no obligation to continually present the same list of evidence for your lies. Lie:"you cannot, or will not, see that islam is in dire need of change and CRITICISM" I have no hesitation or unwillingness to criticise heinous conduct and/or corruption on the basis of principle, including yours. You know that, have seen that and responded to it ... then lied about it repeatedly. Basic human principle underlying all world religions and dogma which has unified groups of believing people, is the idea that, a positive regard for the well being of self and others is a fundamental precept for everything else involved in living a decent life. In otherwords a well being for one that does not inflict injustice on other and visa versa ... A peace of heart for individuals, groups, and relationships, bound in respect for human decency, justice, and goodwill. Your stated agenda involves inflaming emotions around irrational fears to provoke action ... action that could bring the greatest harm to the greatest number of innocent people possible. That, brian, is as much of an extremist venue as any on the planet, and I have often pointed that out to you in diverse ways, so we aren't having any debate or discussion about anything at all are we. Your fraudulent smoke screens when challenged (just posting news articles, think life is sacred, oh and look I'm a vegetarian too) are transparent and do not hide your vile and heinous agenda at all. My 'tactic' with regards to your heinous agenda is no secret and I have posted it for you more than once... The only winner in the game of bigotry is the one who refuses to play While on the one hand it may be OK, ... (for brian) On the other you could walk away And keep your smile for another day Part II coming to a post near you soon. Best regards, gem

To: Proud_Infidel who wrote (244524)	10/10/2007 11:23:34 AM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

Part II brian: ”I cannot help you. Change will only come about throught criticism, and you appear unwilling to see the facts for what they are.” Ehhh … ‘Physician, heal thy self.’ The only recommendations for change I see coming out of your little death cult are recommendations to show the world how you would commit the greatest heinous acts in recorded human history, given any opportunity. Example one: What if we could gather millions of people from every nation and language of the world into one spot shoulder to shoulder and have them pray in peace, for peace individually, for one another, and for all of creation. If we could gather millions more and do it again and repeat that in a regular manner in this same spot … what would your group recommend we do about it with your full support … they would and do recommend that we nuke that spot just for starters. What about you personally? You would run a campaign insisting anyone and everyone be permitted to enter that spot with whatever discordant incursion they could muster. You would and do call a denial of that access, bigotry. You would and do complain that no other city in the world is allowed to accomplish such a wonder so why should Mecca? You want me to support your ideas for change brian? Sorry, I support ideas for change and renewal that are reconciliatory, constructively resolute, ideas that unite human beings in a kind, just, and benevolent manner. Change, yeah I support change which usually begins within and is founded on principles I believe in. Your bigotry does not qualify, I know you hate hearing that repeated in all of my posts to you but hey, change is possible but you must start with yourself if you expect anyone to consider it earnestly. Until then you’ll just continue to come across as an ignorant and mean extremist... a bigoted one. Be the change. Best regards, gem