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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (244688)	10/11/2007 1:37:52 PM
From: SARMAN	Respond to of 281500

Is this an axiom or does it require evidence concerning the extent of threat from terrorists or foreign powers? Ah yes Nadine, the people that did and will do harm to the US; and Americans should fear are none other than the Neocons and Zionists.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (244688)	10/11/2007 1:44:28 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine, what is it about the phrase, "continue to live free," that you don't understand? There are physical threats and there are threats to freedom. Even you must be aware of that distinction. Saying that "Mike saw the Twin Towers fall. I think you'll have a problem convincing him he has relatively nothing to fear from terrorists," misses the point. We should act to address the dangers of terrorism, but we should also act to address the dangerous threats to our freedoms that arise when we find reasons to undermine their most sacred protections that the founders built into our constitution. But, here, I'll give you something to chew on; Mike actually does have little to fear from terrorists unless he's in Iraq, Afghanistan or some other similar country. In this country of 300 million people each of us is relatively safe from terrorist attack. Sure, some of us might get killed or hurt, just as some school kids might get shot, but for the most part the risk is small. And it's certainly not large enough to justify entrusting the federal government with dangerous, precedent setting powers. At least it's not for me but maybe you're scared enough so that it is for you. Ed

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (244688)	10/13/2007 12:39:27 AM
From: c.hinton	Respond to of 281500

re sedition act .....Known collectively as the Alien and Sedition Acts, the legislation sponsored by the Federalists was also intended to quell any political opposition from the Republicans, led by Thomas Jefferson...... The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 from Folwell's "Laws of the U.S." Under the threat of war with France, Congress in 1798 passed four laws in an effort to strengthen the Federal government. Known collectively as the Alien and Sedition Acts, the legislation sponsored by the Federalists was also intended to quell any political opposition from the Republicans, led by Thomas Jefferson. The first of the laws was the Naturalization Act, passed by Congress on June 18. This act required that aliens be residents for 14 years instead of 5 years before they became eligible for U.S. citizenship. Congress then passed the Alien Act on June 25, authorizing the President to deport aliens "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States" during peacetime. The third law, the Alien Enemies Act, was enacted by Congress on July 6. This act allowed the wartime arrest, imprisonment and deportation of any alien subject to an enemy power. The last of the laws, the Sedition Act, passed on July 14 declared that any treasonable activity, including the publication of "any false, scandalous and malicious writing," was a high misdemeanor, punishable by fine and imprisonment. By virtue of this legislation twenty-five men, most of them editors of Republican newspapers, were arrested and their newspapers forced to shut down. One of the men arrested was Benjamin Franklin's grandson, Benjamin Franklin Bache, editor of the Philadelphia Democrat-Republican Aurora. Charged with libeling President Adams, Bache's arrest erupted in a public outcry against all of the Alien and Sedition Acts. Many Americans questioned the constitutionality of these laws. Indeed, public opposition to the Alien and Sedition Acts was so great that they were in part responsible for the election of Thomas Jefferson, a Republican, to the presidency in 1800. Once in office, Jefferson pardoned all those convicted under the Sedition Act, while Congress restored all fines paid with interest.