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To: Geoff Altman who wrote (223772)	10/13/2007 1:22:06 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 793563

Goeff, I reposted it so I could answer it line by line: Goeff:" One of the reasons you liberal types have so much trouble in real debates is that you tend to manufacture facts or imply facts where there are none ie: We got rid of LBJ because we disliked what he was doing. We didn't get rid of LBJ at all. He was never impeached and in fact he was elected a term after he inherited the WH from JFK: 1964 Nov 3, President Johnson, the 36th president, soundly defeated Republican challenger Barry Goldwater to win a White House term. Johnson won over 61% of the vote with 486 electoral votes to Goldwater’s 52. (Koan: Goeff, the democrats ran Eugene Mcarthy against LBJ in the primary's. If you go back and look you will see LBJ made the statement below just a few days before, I think, the wisconson primary, where polls showed he would lose to Mcarthy." LBJ said: "I shall not seek, nor will I accept, the nomination of my party for presidency of the united states". LBJ dropped out of the race (he was going to lose and he knew it) and that is when Bobby Kennedy jumped in the race. I remember it clearly. LBJ also said: "the kids were right I blew it". And recently MacNamera made a public apology and it has come to light as well that LBJ fabriated the tonkin gulf incident i.e. the incident did not happen! LBJ had made it up so he had an excuse to go to war. Goeff: "Our founding fathers wanted us to question our president. Here again you're misunderstanding what we're saying. The act of being able to question a sitting President is not in question, it's the way questioning the Presidents policies is carried out. Well Geoff, I do not know how else you do it? Impeachemnts are messy e.g. Nixon's. And last I looked GW has won every battle so far anyway. He is as tough as a junk yard dog. You tell me how it should be done? The republicans back GW's play almost to the man and woman. It's not enough that the Dems simply question the Presidents policies (which can be constructive), the Dems SOP seems to require, along with the questioning, as many personal attacks as possible in order to please their far left base. These personal attacks serve no other purpose than to obfuscate the debate and satisfy the childish vindictiveness of the far left types from Daily Kos and Moveon...... If we dems feel we elected a bad president we will run him or her right out of office. Obviously, this statement only applies to Republican Presidents since Jimmy Carter (much to Americas chagrin) completed his entire term..... Koan: I always wonder how Mary matlin and James Carville remain mariied-lol? This is a matter of opinion. I consider Carter a great president. He hired the smartest people in the country and his deficits were only 50 billion a year. When Reagan beat him deficits ballooned to 250 billion a year the first year. Carter has also dedicated his entire life, after the presidency, to helping the poor and disadvantged. Pretty good moral character I would say. They framed the whole consittution around that idea e.g only congress can declare war and it cannot delegate it! Uh, Congress voted to invade Iraq.....Uh, Congress voted for the troop surge......... Koan: "No the congress voted to give the president the authority, which Mario Cumo has pointed out is unconstituatioanl. The founding fathers primary concern was that one man not be able to make the decision to go to war and is why they gave the decision to the congress.