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To: TobagoJack who wrote (24007)	10/12/2007 8:53:47 PM
From: abuelita	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217755

jay- but only if the actual platinum coins were verifiably available to real people - you mean like this, or not? nwtmintbullion.com -rose

To: TobagoJack who wrote (24007)	10/12/2007 8:58:15 PM
From: Seeker of Truth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217755

Dear All, Pt is mainly used as a catalyst. However chemists are always looking for and finding, copper containing and iron containing complexes which serve as replacements for Pt. Not to speak of Pd which is the primary competition for Pt. Pt compounds are usually the most powerful, i.e. most accelerating catalysts per gram but the scene is always changing. It's not clear cut, hence uncertain as a great investment. I wonder whether the 9% that TJ reveals can be continued. Seeker of Truth P.S. I forgot to mention organic catalysts which replace all the catalysts containing metals. An up and coming area in pharmaceutical synthesis.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (24007)	10/13/2007 12:10:37 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 217755

SoT, basically said: if something goes too much up, scientists have an incentive to go research new solutions that substitute the material.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (24007)	10/24/2007 3:33:43 AM
From: 8bits	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217755

8bits, from the date of the nyt article in 1991, when nissan made their pitch, when platinum was at $376.70, down 20, it now sits at 1,415, gaining 9% per annum since, without fuss and minus the hassles.. Ahhh... Jay the article I was looking for was from this year and wasn't taking about substituting Palladium for Platinum but substantially reducing the need for either metal. Although my error in posting the wrong article brings up an interesting point.. substitution can only last so long... (although adjusted for inflation Platinum did drop for the next decade after the article was written...) kitco.com Note Mazda as well as Nissan announced breakthroughs in catalytic technology this year: Nissan (2007 :-) ) reuters.com Nissan Motor Co. (7201.T: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Friday it has developed a catalyst for gasoline cars that halves the use of precious metal components to clean tail-pipe emissions, promising big cost savings amid high commodity prices. Japan's third-biggest automaker employed nano-technology to prevent clustering of the fine metal particles present in catalysts under high temperature conditions, enabling the use of less material to clean exhaust emissions. Mazda: Mazda Develops a World-First Catalyst Material Structure for Autos Using Single Nanotechnology HIROSHIMA, Japan-Mazda Motor Corporation has developed a world's first catalyst for cars that uses single-nanotechnology to create a catalyst material structure which substantially reduces the amount of precious metals that are used, such as platinum and palladium. The new development enables Mazda to reduce the amount of platinum and palladium used in automotive catalysts by 70 to 90 percent. It does not result in any changes in the performance of purifying gas emissions and maintains the high durability of conventional catalysts. Single-nanotechnology is a technology that can control even smaller particles than nanotechnology. autobloggreen.com I think I am right (or hope I'm right) about Palladium since a major portion of it is used in the automotive industry but I may be wrong about Platinum. (As you say only Platinum can be for diesels which are expanding in production and Platinum has a broader use and lower supply than Palladium plus an additional cachet as an investment/jewelery item...) Also many of the areas were Palladium is mined seem more stable than areas were much of Platinum is mined, adding another wrinkle to the equation.