To: denizen48 who wrote (16691 ) 10/14/2007 7:43:25 AM From: sea_urchin Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 22250 Harry > But if the Zionists have been planning this since the 1890's, they're not gonna quit at this juncture. That's for sure but although there have been incredible gains, the most notable being control of the US government, there have been costs, too. Here I can think of two things: firstly, the split in the Jewish community between Zionists and non-Zionists which was always there, of course, but now is becoming much clearer and, secondly, the rise of Islam. Clearly, it is for the latter reason that the War on Terrorism was created because as result of this the Zionists have been able to marshall the power of the US against the Islamic countries. Indeed, and as I'm sure you are implying, this confrontation could lead to a world war. > It's all working. It's certainly incredible what they have achieved and how persistent they are. But 5 million Palestinians are still in the West Bank and Gaza and another 1.5 million live in Israel proper. That's compared to 5 million Israeli Jews. And there will be no more Jewish immigration to Israel, if anything the reverse. So although the Zionists have, up to now, won the political, economic and most of the military battles, they have certainly lost the demographic one -- and will continue to lose it. The military situation is now stalemated and the battle for Greater Israel, stretching from the Euphrates to the Nile, is a myth which is unlikely to be achieved except in story books. Meanwhile, the costs to all concerned have been enormous and I persistently argue that from a simple cost-benefit point of view the Zionist project has been a waste of time, certainly since 1967. They should have made peace then and given the Palestinians their piece of the real-estate. But political opportunists and religious crazies prevented this -- as they are still doing.