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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (16754)	10/16/2007 10:59:11 AM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 224744

Snoop 4 Presisent >Hillary's phone-call snooping >yahoonews.com October 16, 2007 Government surveillance will be at the forefront of the political debate this fall as congressional Democrats and President Bush square off over legislation allowing electronic spying on U.S. soil without a warrant. Republicans are focusing on an allegation in a recent book by two Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters, which suggests Clinton listened to a secretly recorded conversation between political opponents. In their book about Clinton’s rise to power, Her Way, Don Van Natta Jr., an investigative reporter at The New York Times, and Jeff Gerth, who spent 30 years as an investigative reporter at the paper, wrote: “Hillary’s defense activities ranged from the inspirational to the microscopic to the down and dirty. She received memos about the status of various press inquiries; she vetted senior campaign aides; and she listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of Clinton critics plotting their next attack. “The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface with allegations about an affair with Bill,” Gerth and Van Natta wrote in reference to Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton. “Bill’s supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions.” A GOP official said, “Hillary Clinton’s campaign hypocrisy continues to know no bounds. It is rather unbelievable that Clinton would listen in to conversations being conducted by political opponents, but refuse to allow our intelligence agencies to listen in to conversations being conducted by terrorists as they plot and plan to kill us." Gerth told The Hill that he learned of the incident in 2006 when he interviewed a former campaign aide present at the tape playing. He has not revealed the aide’s identity. Clinton’s campaign has not disputed any facts reported in the final version of his book, which became public this spring, he said. “It hasn’t been challenged,” said Gerth. “There hasn’t been one fact in the book that’s been challenged.” Clinton’s spokesman declined to discuss the allegation that Clinton had reviewed secretly recorded calls. Several legal experts said it was illegal to intercept cell phone conversations in 1992. “It’s been clear that since 1986 it was illegal to intercept an individual cell phone call,” said Barry Steinhardt, the director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union. In 1986, Congress broadened wiretapping law to prohibit the interception of electronic communications, as well as the use or disclosure of intercepted electronic communications. Two court cases have since cited that action in ruling the interception of cell phone communications illegal: Bartnicki v. Vopper, 2001, and Company v. United States, 2003. Clinton has made privacy an issue on the campaign trail. In July, she discussed her privacy bill of rights in a speech to the American Constitution Society. The proposed rights, ensconced in the Protect Act, include the right to sue when privacy rules have been violated; the right to protect phone records; and the right to freeze credit in the event of identity theft. In August, Clinton voted against an emergency law that temporarily expanded the government’s power to conduct surveillance on American soil without a warrant. The bill was criticized for being overly broad and sidelining the role of a special court set up by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The Senate’s other Democratic presidential candidates, Sens. Barack Obama (Ill.), Chris Dodd (Conn.), and Joseph Biden (Del.), also voted against the bill. Clinton’s chief political strategist, Mark Penn, became embroiled recently in a controversy over intercepted electronic communications. Mitchell Markel, a former vice president at Penn’s firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland, filed a lawsuit against Penn accusing him of intercepting e-mail. Markel claimed that the firm illegally monitored messages sent from his BlackBerry after he joined another company. Markel dropped the suit in July after reaching a settlement with Penn, Schoen & Berland.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (16754)	10/16/2007 5:56:54 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224744

Looks like Dems will widen their leads in both houses next year and take the White House too. Maybe you fascists should lay off trying to give the president dictatorial powers. According to the LA Times front cover, the GOP has moved so far to the right and is so discredited outside of deep red states because of those stinkers Bush-Cheney and their phony "war on terror" which has half destroyed our own military, that the GOP can't even find anyone decent to run, and 17 GOP'ers are retiring and zero dems, plus the GOP for once can't raise much money either. Even worse,, all the moderates are bolting the GOP permanently, and leaving their jobs open for centrist democrats. They may even switch parties. So the GOP will be left with the worst type of dishonest stinkers, rednecks and religious wackos as their only members. The same people who got us into this mess and applaud Bush's assault on democracy and the Cosntitution. I believe Romney will get the GOP nod because ha has so much money and looks so slick. He can probably buy Iowa and Hew Hampshire. But Romney is an empty man devoid of real concern for issues. He is also a super rich elitist who has never given a damn about the middleclass. And he's all for putting huge corporations in charge of everything, a disaterous trend which has been building and building ever since Reagan's so-called "free enterprise" economy. As a result the vast majority of Americans, like 95%, are much worse off than they were before Reagan, small town America is a big anonymous mall and we have lost some very precious things in this great nation. Time to start reversing that, and quickly. dems in charge of the entire government is actually necessary now. No more stagnation. We need big-time change. And by the way, democrats are the real conservatives now. We want to conserve what's best about America, plus energy, money, peace, freedoms, education, healthcare and the environment. You guys don't give a damn about any of it. You just want to loot and spread lies and hatred.