To: LindyBill who wrote (224843 ) 10/19/2007 3:05:17 AM From: unclewest Respond to of 794220 Suspicious Numbers At last report the Army was 2,000 men below the old strength ceiling. Allowing the 9,000 involuntary retentions to be discharged would place the current shortfall at 11,000. An increase of 4,000 new recruits next year will leave the shortfall at 7,000. If you include the new authorization for a 35,000 man increase, the army will be 42,000 men short Last week the army reported making its enlistment and retention goal. What they did not say is 9,000 were involuntary retentions. Is that not the equivalent of an involuntary draft? The National Guard numbers are suspect too. So far the army has recruited 25 in the first two+ weeks of the FY. That indicates 650 for the year -- not the 3,000 they project. When an active duty 3-star general discusses and counts NG recruits in groups of 25, you can bet there is a problem. uw Published on Thursday, October 18, 2007 Army says it must keep “stop-loss” program By Lolita C. Baldor The Associated Press ADVERTISEMENT WASHINGTON — The U.S. Army will continue to rely on an unpopular program that forces some soldiers to stay on beyond their retirement or re-enlistment dates, despite repeated pressure from Defense Secretary Robert Gates to reduce and eventually eliminate the practice. Lt. Gen. Michael Rochelle, deputy chief of staff for personnel, said Thursday that the number of soldiers kept on duty has actually increased in recent months as a result of President Bush’s orders to increase troop levels in Iraq this year to help quell the violence. The number of those being kept on beyond their commitment — through a program known as “stop loss” — is about 9,000 now, compared to about 7,000 before the troop buildup began in late January, he said. “Until there is some reduction in the demand, we’re going to have to rely, unfortunately ... on stop loss,” Rochelle told reporters. “Until the demand comes down a bit, we can’t do it without it.” As recently as last month, Gates sent a memo to Army Secretary Pete Geren asking for quarterly progress reports on “reducing and ultimately eliminating the use of stop-loss as soon as feasible.” Rochelle added that when the expected withdrawal of troops from Iraq begins, the Army’s reliance on the program will eventually decline. In other remarks, Rochelle also suggested that the Army will only be able to increase its numbers by about 4,000 in the next year — a fraction of the 35,000 boost that Pentagon and Army leaders have set as a goal by 2010. He said the Army will rely largely on two relatively new recruitment programs that would reward current active duty soldiers and National Guard soldiers who successfully bring in new people. Other than those new efforts, the basic recruitment and retention goals for 2008 will stay the same as 2007, at 80,000 and 65,000 respectively, he said. That, he said, reflects the “realistic view on how challenging it is at this point in time” to increase the size of the Army. The Guard program, which only just began, has already garnered 25 recruits and there are 100 in the pipeline, Rochelle said, adding that the effort could bring in as many as 3,000 in 2008. He said the Army is likely to continue increasing the financial, educational and other incentives to keep soldiers in the service. He declined to detail the costs of the incentives, or how much that might increase next year.