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Politics : CD's Incoherent Ramblings and Politics for Dummies Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: koan who wrote (59)	10/19/2007 7:47:45 PM
From: LoneClone	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 361

So can a libertarian also be conservative or liberal depending on their stance on social issues? Most people in the world see the US approach as confusing because they have a more nuanced understanding of these issues. Do you ever read non-tabloid Eneglish newspapers? The grasp of political science and philosophy (not to mention the writing itself) is infinitely superior to what you get in the States. As to whether you should look back in history to understand what these terms really mean and why they mean what they mean, I refer you to the famous quote by the philosopher George Santayana. "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

To: koan who wrote (59)	10/19/2007 8:08:03 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 361

But all of you are using an issue specific definition fro ne liberal. In the US it is straightforward. Liberals are liberal and conservatives are conservative. koan I cannot believe it is that simple. How can that be... Only two options ? Don't tell Tom.. He'll have to move to Canada :O) siliconinvestor.com Since I believe in strong public health care and education yet I want as little government meddling as possible in other areas, I think we need a strong armed forces, the public sector should not be too large, I and personally against abortion but recognize that it not my place to do more than offer an opinion. Oh and gay marriage is a non issue for me.. What am I ? blackie

To: koan who wrote (59)	10/22/2007 3:36:24 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 361

'Much more straighforward than having to know the history of how neo liberalism was derived from attempting economic freedom from the crown of England' But see, this is where it starts - what they told you guys in school was quite wrong in a number of ways, the prime one related to political labels would be the way they presented 'the british' as some sort of monolithic entity all thinking and saying and presumably smelling the same, under 'the crown' ... in fact the crown had precious little to do with it, especially under the third George, it was actually a fellow named Lord North who was PM of the government who set 1770s policy, he was a tory [conservative], for sure ... but there were lots of whigs [liberals] in the UK at the time, in fact some had been involved with setting up the 'intolerable acts' that prohibited the thirteen colonies from persecuting the catholics of Quebec and stealing land from the indians beyond a certain line, and tried to get them to pay for some portion of the Seven Years war that had been fought for their benefit - those were whig positions ... can't recall names now, it's been years, but it's highly interesting stuff, turns out 'the british' weren't homogeneously uni-dimensional at all [who could have guessed?] Burke was a whig, then when he didn't think much of the way the french went about the revolting business, he got labelled a tory, and is now known as 'the father of modern conservatism', funny how these things go - en.wikipedia.org