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To: lorne who wrote (10644)	10/24/2007 9:11:51 AM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

Heard on news that some creep on a motorcycle was spotted by a helicopter crew starting a new fire. hope they catch this nutcase. I hope the fire catches him. If a couple of those idiots got made into toast life would be better for all of California

To: lorne who wrote (10644)	10/24/2007 1:50:36 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

You guys treat Darren like a total patsy ... understandably. California wildfires ... chyahh, OK.

To: lorne who wrote (10644)	10/24/2007 2:18:43 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Respond to of 20106

Jeeze lorne I have been such a patsy :) Even the French in Cnauckistan have issues with the moslums... Islam sparks fiery debate in Quebec TU THANH HA From Wednesday's Globe and Mail October 24, 2007 at 4:38 AM EDT TROIS-RIVIÈRES, QUE. — There was the woman who feared that Quebec would be overrun by Muslims. There were anecdotes about Muslims unwilling to integrate. Mentions of massacres in Muslim countries. For an area where Muslims make up less than 0.7 per cent of the local population, Islam repeatedly came up as a source of anxiety last night as the public commission looking at religious accommodations stopped in the Mauricie area, midway between Montreal and Quebec City. It was in this region that the village of Hérouxville made headlines last year with its "code of conduct" warning prospective newcomers that practices such as wearing face veils or stoning women would not be tolerated. While the code was decried by pundits as a mean-spirited caricature of Islam, its initiators say they have been flooded with supportive mail from across Quebec. 'Them' and 'us' split spreading nationwide, federal officials warn PQ would require that immigrants learn French On the one hand last night, there were people like Jean-Pierre Trépanier, who made the first remarks at the open-mike forum attended by more than 180 people. "I am ashamed to be a Quebecker when I hear the stupidities and inanities such as those of Hérouxville," Mr. Trépanier said. But most who followed him had gripes against minorities. "When someone imposes something on you, it's up to them to stop imposing it if it bothers you," said André Drouin, a Hérouxville municipal councillor who was behind the code. Mr. Drouin and Bernard Thompson, another originator of the Hérouxville code, are presenting a brief today where they will argue that no accommodations should be granted to religious minorities. "If they're not happy and they're unsatisfied, let them go back to their country and make it better," Jacques Landry said to applause, as he thanked the people of Hérouxville. Jacques Deschesnes complained about a relative treated at a Jewish hospital who couldn't mix milk and meat when she ate lunch. Andréa Richard had fears for the future, warning of an Islamic onslaught. "Would you like to see your grandchildren become Muslims? Would you like to see your granddaughters wear the veil?" she told the commission's co-chairs, academics Gérard Bouchard and Charles Taylor. "I am not racist but ..." began Denise Béland as she explained her fears that the hard-earned equality of sexes here is foreign to newcomers. "I say 'tolerance zero,' " said André Plamondon, talking about "those people." "Only with the Muslims do we have problems," said Paul Garneau, talking about religious massacres in Algeria or Iraq. The co-chairs sometimes had to step in. One woman complained that Christian minorities are disappearing in Turkey. Mr. Taylor told her that non-Muslims were protected under the Ottomans and their persecution took place under secular governments. Jacqueline Guillemette, a local woman who converted to Islam, concluded the evening with a call for mutual concessions and tolerance. "There's a lot of ignorance," Ms. Guillemette said afterward in an interview. "They should look at regular [Muslims], not the fundamentalists." One woman stopped and told her it was sad that Ms. Guillemette had to wear a headscarf. "Lady, the Holy Virgin wore a veil too," Ms. Guillemette replied. The commission, which has until now travelled mostly in outlying areas, has heard mostly from white francophones, with some calling for more tolerance for minorities. For example, Stéphane Gendron, an outspoken radio host, called the people behind Hérouxville's code "twits" and "a national shame." He said Quebeckers have no business expecting immigrants to integrate quickly when it took three generations for French-Canadians who moved to New England to fit in. The co-chairs are to issue their recommendations next spring. theglobeandmail.com

To: lorne who wrote (10644)	10/24/2007 5:10:01 PM
From: Proud_Infidel	Respond to of 20106

Bowing to the Islamists Washington Times ^ \| October 24, 2007 \| Paul Belien washingtontimes.com Thursday, a group of 80 people from 15 European countries convened in...the European Parliament building in Brussels for a "counterjihad" meeting. They listened to speakers such as the Egyptian-born scholar Bat Ye'or, author of the book "Eurabia," who explained how the European Union (EU) has become a vehicle for the Islamization of Europe and how the EU has promoted "a massive Muslim immigration... hoping that the Euro-Arab symbiosis through economic development, soft diplomacy and multiculturalism would guarantee [Europe] peace, markets and oil." The citizens of Europe are extremely worried by this Islamization process, but their political leaders impose it on them against their wish. Europe is in worse shape than America because European democracies lack two pillars of freedom that America still has...the first and second amendments of the Constitution. In many European countries, freedom of speech no longer exists...These laws forbid people to express their worries about massive immigration and about the Islamization of their nations... Meanwhile...Europe's no-go zones are multiplying. These are areas where the police no longer dare to venture and where Islamists hold sway...Media outside the Netherlands, however, hardly mention the riots... There is some good news as well. Last Sunday, the Swiss People's Party (SVP) won 29 percent of the votes and 62 of the 200 seats in Switzerland's federal parliament...the largest number of seats that any Swiss party has ever won since 1919...Even law-abiding foreigners living in Switzerland realize what the SVP's true message is: Get rid of those aliens who perpetrate crimes. Parties in the rest of Europe would be persecuted for using similar posters because people are not allowed to contemplate the issue, but the Swiss are able to raise their voices. It is no coincidence that the freedom-loving Alpine republic consistently refuses to join the EU. (Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ....

To: lorne who wrote (10644)	10/24/2007 5:24:19 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

Liberals are happy, read these boards

To: lorne who wrote (10644)	10/25/2007 11:34:02 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

To: lorne who wrote (10645) 10/24/2007 1:50:36 PM From: rough_cut_gemstone of 10659 You guys treat Darren like a total patsy ... understandably. California wildfires ... chyahh, OK. How is it always inexplicably the case where staunch followers of Islam seem to suffer from the same horrific inarticulacy fervently trying to defend their cult and their gangster godfather of a "prophet" which in turn, prevents them from being taken seriously? Perhaps the forbidden fruit of free thought?