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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (246911)	10/29/2007 3:48:09 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Fundamentally, the problem with your line of reasoning is that it punishes the Pals for the misdeeds and shortfalls of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc. Since the Pals had no part in the decisions made by the leaders of those countries, they can't be held responsible for their outcome. This is one of the top two fallacies, regarding the Palestinian problem So how is this different from how history treated the Turks of the Balkans, the Greeks and Armenians of Anatolia, the Kurds of everywhere, including your own Iran? Whose heart is bleeding for their sufferings or declaring that any solution that doesn't somehow reach back in time and put them right is a "fallacy"? Any solution has to start by recognizing reality right here and now. Reality includes the existence of Israel, which as a country is a damn sight more successful than any of its neighbors. I guess the Kurds picked the wrong enemies. Maybe they should hire the Israeli Air Force to bomb them.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (246911)	10/30/2007 7:09:28 PM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"Jews not named Nadine and the rest of the world will strongly resist this." That got you an irrelevant response. There is a fourth solution and that is to continue the present Israeli policy of annexation. One can see a clear picture of Israeli policy by looking at Palestinian occupied areas in 47, 67, 73, 90, and 2000. After occupying 90% of the West Bank and concentrating Hamas in Gaza it would be all too easy to move the last 10% to Gaza and unilaterally declare Gaza a Palestinian state. In reality, no viable Palestinian state and, as a consequence, the quick self destruction of the last Palestinian area.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (246911)	10/30/2007 8:18:44 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Ayn Rand on Israel (Ford Hall Forum lecture, 1974) Q: What should the United Sates do about the [1973] Arab-Israeli War? AR: Give all the help possible to Israel. Consider what is at stake. It is not the moral duty of any country to send men to die helping another country. The help Israel needs is technology and military weapons—and they need them desperately. Why should we help Israel? Israel is fighting not just the Arabs but Soviet Russia, who is sending the Arabs armaments. Russia is after control of the Mediterranean and oil. Further, why are the Arabs against Israel? (This is the main reason I support Israel.) The Arabs are one of the least developed cultures. They are typically nomads. Their culture is primitive, and they resent Israel because it's the sole beachhead of modern science and civilization on their continent. When you have civilized men fighting savages, you support the civilized men, no matter who they are. Israel is a mixed economy inclined toward socialism. But when it comes to the power of the mind—the development of industry in that wasted desert continent—versus savages who don't want to use their minds, then if one cares about the future of civilization, don't wait for the government to do something. Give whatever you can. This is the first time I've contributed to a public cause: helping Israel in an emergency. aynrand.org