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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (247075)	10/31/2007 7:00:28 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

russian snd chinese bullets were hitting our troops in vietnam and nixon did rapprochement with both during vn war. What iran is doing mostly in support of shiaa but also to make trouble for US to get us out of region is not surprising. If they had units cross the border and engage in combat with us, we should have right to go after them across the border but because they supply arms as tragic as that is for us and our troops, doesnt give us the right to attack them.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (247075)	10/31/2007 10:00:50 PM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 281500

As ever, I love it when you talk dirty, Nadine. As far as negotiating with Iran, we have this recent account: The one time we seriously negotiated with Tehran was in the closing days of the war in Afghanistan, in order to create a new political order in the country. Bush's representative to the Bonn conference, James Dobbins, says that "the Iranians were very professional, straightforward, reliable and helpful. They were also critical to our success. They persuaded the Northern Alliance to make the final concessions that we asked for." Dobbins says the Iranians made overtures to have better relations with the United States through him and others in 2001 and later, but got no reply. Even after the Axis of Evil speech, he recalls, they offered to cooperate in Afghanistan. Dobbins took the proposal to a principals meeting in Washington only to have it met with dead silence. The then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, he says, "looked down and rustled his papers." No reply was ever sent back to the Iranians. Why bother? They're mad. ( from newsweek.com ) And of course, the original line from W's hotheads and their legions of auxiliary flacks was you couldn't negotiate with North Korea either. So maybe all the war drumming is just for show. On the other hand, there's no indication the Israel lobby ever wanted a war with North Korea.