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To: gg cox who wrote (24721)	11/2/2007 12:17:31 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 219981

They are discovered only after leaving office: Germany: Kohl himself claimed that Elf Aquitaine had offered (and meanwhile made) a massive investment in East Germany's chemical industry together with the takeover of 2,000 gas stations in Germany which were formerly owned by national oil company Minol. Elf Aquitaine is supposed to have financed CDU illegally, as ordered by Mitterrand, as it was usual practice in African countries. It would not look good in history books the reunificatioon PM being booted out of office. How about the diamons of Bokassa? Jean-Bedel Bokassa, the former leader of the Central African Republic who proclaimed himself Emperor Bokassa I, looked on this week as more than 8,000 copies of his newly published autobiography were burned in three garbage bins. The action resulted from a court ruling last month that Mr. Bokassa's book contained passages that defamed former President Valery Giscard d'Estaing. The libel case was brought by Mr. Giscard d'Estaing in a Paris court. The French PM got the diamonds and said they were industrila diamonds not valuebale stuff. :-) Most controversial, however, was his involvement with the Bokassa regime of the Central African Republic. Valéry Giscard d'Estaing was at first a friend of its ruler, Jean-Bédel Bokassa; he supplied Bokassa's regime with much financial and military backing. However, the growing unpopularity of that government led Giscard to begin distancing himself from Bokassa. In 1979 French troops helped drive Bokassa out of power and restore former president David Dacko. This action was also controversial, particularly since Dacko was Bokassa’s cousin and had appointed Bokassa as head of the military, and unrest continued in the Central African Republic, leading to Dacko being overthrown in another coup in 1981. In a related incident, Giscard was reported by the Canard Enchaîné to have accepted diamonds as personal gifts from Bokassa—who fled to France with looted millions from the Central African Republic's treasury, but was still given asylum in France. Presidential official gifts legally are property of the Republic of France instead of d'Estaing. Giscard supporters contended that the diamonds were industrial-grade and thus had no sizeable monetary value.

To: gg cox who wrote (24721)	11/2/2007 1:11:17 PM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 219981

GG, The political corruption problem is so extreme these days that I wonder if anything short of a bloody revolution will cure the problem. I know folks who are still in the inner circle of a former US president and via this avenue I hear the most alarming things: Vast numbers of US pols and agency bureaucrats (and likewise a vast number elsewhere, of course) are simply "bought" by way of the "off-shore" cutout. This has never happened like this before at least not on this scale and with the aggressive impunity of these elected and selected criminals. Your local mayor or the judge of your local court, your state or provincial governor or your representative to the parliament or congress and likewise the appointed administrator of your local water district or any other agency all the way up to cabinet level is likely being paid for each and every move they make. Not all of them but enough of them to have completely corrupted the system. The only thing that could save you from this would be if your pol or bureaucrat in question is literally too stupid to book a flight to Panama or a hundred other similar places or is unable to find a trusted proxy (wife, child, nephew or henchman) with enough sense to travel abroad to arrange the payola details. This is TOTALLY SAFE. If done properly there is ZERO risk of disclosure. The pols and their transnational confederates have designed the system this way and it is foolproof, even for a fool. Beware of a particular diversion commonly used here in the USA: Pols of all sorts complain about the "corruption" in the political process today, making reference to the vast sums collected and spent in political campaigns. This common complaint serves as a cover or diversion for the REAL corruption, which is conducted through the off-shore cutout. This is "globalism" in action. Slagle

To: gg cox who wrote (24721)	11/2/2007 7:53:54 PM
From: attila hooper	Respond to of 219981

Hey gg, it's been far too long I have been away from Canuck politics. The seperatist movement did a number on me ;) I became, egads ! an 'merican more than a vingt ago. So, that Mulroney. He's the one with the big jowls right ? LOL !!! Serves him right for piggin out at the hog trough. You think Clinton was a good liar ? Imagine how disgusted I feel with Iraq, patriot act, currency dump, CDOs and all the other crap this gov is ramming up our arses. I'm actually pleased as pudding the canucks finally copped a dollar. Damn it was a long time. I can remember you guys were buying Ladas like we buy Kias. And a Buick was a fine automobile.

To: gg cox who wrote (24721)	11/21/2007 10:32:13 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 219981

Wrong doing only after leaving office: Chirac targeted in corruption probe By Reuters November 21 2007 A French judge has placed former President Jacques Chirac under formal investigation for embezzlement of public funds during his time as mayor of Paris, Chirac’s lawyer Jean Veil said on Wednesday. Chirac, who lost his immunity from prosecution after stepping down as president in May, has consistently denied any wrongdoing while he was mayor between 1977-1995. They never boot them out while in office, as we do in Brazil, ONLY after they have retired!!! Oh, the discrete charm...