To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (109819 ) 11/5/2007 11:28:51 PM From: Knighty Tin Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 132070 I am glad he told us that Milton and Paul were not collaborators. I love being talked down to as though I was a Mongoloid Idiot. I suppose most of the folks he talks to believe that people can collaborate over 15 or 16 centuries. <g> Besides, we all know that Milton collaborated with Bradley to make toys. It is much easier to believe in a Supreme Being than the God or Gods of any of the major religions. Some have solved the problem by saying the God of the Old Testament was not the God of the New Testament. The main problem with that is that Jesus said they were the same. So, to throw out The Old Testament means also throwing out Jesus. Ehrman's story is funny and sad. When he was going to college at Moody Bible Institute, the professors at Moody said that Wheaton College (where he planned to do Master's Work) was a sinful place where Ehrman would lose his religion. Then, when he was accepted at Princeton to do his PhD work, the profs at Wheaton told him what a Sodom Princeton was. I had a lot of friends who went to Wheaton and they were about as rigidly fundamental as could be. Princeton is certainly more ecumenical, but hardly a hotbed of sin. I don't know any guy who went to Princeton who's ever been laid. <G> Some of the stories in The Old and New Testament cause me concern. Saul is one of the saddest cases. He didn't want to be King, but Samuel found him where he was hiding and forced him to take the crown. Then, at his first screwup, (he allowed some people and animals to live when he'd been told to kill everyone and everything in a town. Whoa, baby, Saul sounds like a decent guy to moi.) Samuel basically deposed him and condemned him forever. But you have to love the genealogies in The Old Testament. David was descended from Judah, who tried to murder his innocent brother Joseph. Judah continued the line that led to David and Jesus by taking one of his daughter's in law when she was pretending to be a prostitute. And Judah's father stole his own brother's place in history with a couple of dirty tricks. Man, even my own family looks pretty good in comparison. <G>