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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (247465)	11/6/2007 12:53:52 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

You are welcome Ed. Though your response appears facetious on the surface, you validated the problem as you do with nearly every post. Comments like: "I want to be like you three. I want to help the Iraqis more. I want to support our soldiers better." Anyone who has followed this thread as you have should be able to notice how diverse and confrontationally contradictory the views of these three people often are. You are welcome to lump yourself as a righteous anti-war savior if you like and everyone who doesn't agree with you as a right wing extremist type or as some sort of fascist Bushie but that isn't and never has been the truth. However, and I speak only for myself, most of your spiteful attacks are based on misrepresentation and strawman whining, you know it and I know it. It's not healthy Ed. Like this false implication which is completely transparent nonsense: "I might have been able to prognosticate the many successes along the way. Things like the narrow breadth of the doomed insurgency that was only Al Queda and a handful of Saddam "dead enders," the import of the capture of Saddam, the wonderful constitution that "freed" the women of Iraq from male and Muslim tyranny, that beautiful, purple fingered day when Iraq emerged as a beacon for democracy in the middle east, the utter falsity of the story that Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire and that the Army covered it up, the self evident truth that freedom is a god given right and that free men don't attack their neighbors, and, of course, I'd be able to perceive the utter nobility that's driven our involvement in Iraq." You know exactly where the truth of that post does lie. "Send me a note and Ruprick will slip it in a baloney sandwich and get it through." I think you've gotten the message you just don't want to deal with it, yet. Your friend, gem

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (247465)	11/6/2007 1:45:45 PM
From: Ruffian	Respond to of 281500

U sound like a crock of shit.............

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (247465)	11/6/2007 2:17:46 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

Ed, I have enjoyed your posts over the years. This one, not so much. Dont quit your day job now that the comedy writers are on strike. You aint that funny. As far as iraq goes, you certainly were more right than I was. But that doesnt mean your reasons are always right. Idealism is and should be a part of American FP. I would maintain it was idealism that led us to vietnam and iraq as much as any other reasons so there is a danger but the US without idealism as an important part of FP makes us like the pre-ww1 euro system of metternich and the like. You can see i am torn with this. You should be a little torn too and not so damn smug; and so should nadine. I think Gem is a clear thinker. I think he objects to western paternalistic views of islam and hopes that the pluralistic US can point to a third way. I dont like the right and I dont like the left. I hate michael moore and Rush limbaugh. There is plenty of room in the middle Ed. Join us there. mike