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To: maceng2 who wrote (17314)	11/9/2007 7:54:39 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 36921

"The death of global warming" - spoof puts the fun back into lying about science 7 Nov 07 Hat's off (we think) to UK writer and consultant David Thorpe, the apparent creator for the impressive web-based spoof - a definitive bit of climate change denial as reported in The Journal of Geoclimatic Studies. Although the "journal" lists two volumes and some very tempting content, the only research paper on the website is titled: "Carbon dioxide production by benthic bacteria: the death of manmade global warming theory?" The paper reports that rising volumes of CO2 are actually caused "by saprotrophic eubacteria living in the sediments of the continental shelves fringing the Atlantic and Pacific oceans." Unfortunately, this wonderful news is attributed to a group of scientists who can't be found, working at a series of institutions or departments that don't exist. For example, the JGS website is registered to Dr. Hiroko Takebe at Okinawa University's Climatological Department. Alas, there is no such thing as Okinawa University. The lead researcher is listed as Daniel A. Klein at the University of Arizona. A search of the University of Arizona's faculty database yields no Daniel A. Klein. Guess it won't surprise you that there's no climatology department at U of A either. Nor does there exist a Mandeep Gupta at the University of Arizona who is listed as a second author on the paper. The spoof has already caught a couple of guileless "climate skeptics." Rumor is that well-known skeptic Benny Peiser posted the paper to his discussion group, but an hour later (to his credit) sent a second message saying that it appears he was duped. This blogger has fallen for it and this blogger figured it out. Among the many other research papers touted on the site, this was our favourite: "Submarine lightning strikes in the Hadean Zone: an unacknowledged cause of fish mortality?" Dupe update: looks like this site popped it up and then dropped it. Here's a partial bit of their now-extinct post on google: » A blockbuster study from the Journal of Geoclimatic Studies Clearly this study from the latest issue of Journal of Geoclimatic Studies by four climate scientists–two from the Dept. of Climatology at the University of ... Dupe update 2: this site is blindly linking to the study. Dupe update 3: Reason Magazine posted a story and then tore it down. Here's a partial blurb from a Technorati search: Are Bacteria the Cause of Global Warming? A new report in the Journal of Geoclimatic Studies by researchers from the University of Arizona and the University of Goteborg in Sweden argues that benthic bacteria are responsible for increases Dupe update 4: This blogger fell for it hook, line and sinker. Dupe update 5: Here's another bumbling blogger. Update 6: Quote from the web developer found here: We’re just the website design company,” said David Thorpe at Cyberium in Wales, listed as the administrator of the site. “I don’t know anything about the content. We were just asked to put the website up.” Dupe update 7: This blogger blindly cut and paste the whole thing into a post. Like what you read on DeSmogBlog? Subscribe to our RSS feed here. desmogblog.com

To: maceng2 who wrote (17314)	11/9/2007 10:14:41 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 36921

"...but the cautionary tale catalogued in ancient rocks warns us that the environment is certainly not impervious to the actions of those living in it." Nice to see an article that has nothing to do with global warming, knee jerk reactions, Ayn Rand, Al Gore, the status quo, guilt, peak oil, original sin, carbon credits or a gooseberry bush. Wave after wave Will flow with the tide And bury the world as it does Tide after tide Will flow and recede Leaving life to go on As it was...

To: maceng2 who wrote (17314)	11/11/2007 11:57:14 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

PB, the bacteria stripped out the methane. In a similar way, for eons, living things have been stripping out carbon via sucking in CO2 and burying it in limestone, coal, shale, tar sands [Orinoco, Athabasca], oil and gas. The ice age is a replay of that early time. We are currently in an interglacial, but not for long. We might prevent a return to ice with the current major efforts to recycle carbon into the atmosphere, but I think human efforts will be too puny to prevent the continuation into snowball Earth configuration. Look at all the limestone! A minuscule bit of it is being used for concrete, but the proportion of buried carbon being recycled by humans is tiny. As our achievement is stripped from the atmosphere and dumped back on the bottom of the ocean for tectonic processes to cart it back to subduction zones, we will find ourselves with a freezing climate and no easy oil and gas to use to put more CO2 into the air to keep it warm. We will probably have to produce billions of tons of soot and spread it over deserts to keep the place warm. Rain will probably end that attempt to keep suicidal Gaia going. Mqurice