To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (25075 ) 11/12/2007 3:13:54 AM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217734 To The BS person. [How's that?] Opium was popular everywhere. Earlier this year in Melbourne I was reading old books which included various schedules of goods. Opium was a substantial item on the list. Laudanum was common. en.wikipedia.org You seem to have swallowed whole all sorts of biased points of view about the past. Apparently opium was on sale in Great Britain to. Maoris have fared very well as NZ citizens, which has been of great benefit to them. That's why Hongi Hika was so gung ho for it. He went and checked it all out and got the British to set up shop by him. It wasn't being given their own land which made Maoris want to be British Subjects, it was all the accoutrements of modernity which they fancied and which they got. Bear in mind that they did NOT own NZ. There were individual tribal holdings, which could and did change ownership with the swing of a mere. It's true that capitalism is a way of thinking, just as electro-photonics is a way of thinking. They are very real for all that. Abstract things are real. Money is abstract, but it is real. The abstract things tend to be the most valuable. Land is a has-been. Leprosy, religion, Santa Claus, capitalism are all "reality" in the minds of their proponents. But that doesn't mean they are neither good nor bad. It is pretty clear that some things are good and some things are bad. Warts on your nose are bad. Money in your pocket is good. I don't subscribe to nihilistic nonsense. The British "needed" markets in China, just as I do now. My grandfather helped run an oil production business and hired people and sold stuff [in Dalian and Shanghai]. Nowadays, I invest in CDMA and hire people in China and sell them stuff. Plus ca change. I haven't conquered China or confiscated money for CDMA. People choose to deal with me. Or not, as the case may be. China is planning on stealing my intellectual property for their dopey TD-SCDMA which they are going to claim they invented so they don't owe QUALCOMM royalties. That might lead to interesting trade and political relationships with the USA government which depends on QUALCOMM for a lot of $billions in revenue. Mqurice