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To: unclewest who wrote (248173)11/12/2007 9:27:04 AM
From: Normandi  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Appears the U.S. Military has a different opinion regarding O'neill so called honest and truthfulness.

Vietnam
O'Neill spent 15 months aboard a minesweeper, USS Woodpecker [3], about three months of which were spent in Vietnamese waters; he served in Vietnam on Swift Boats as part of Coastal Division 13 (3.5 months) and Coastal Division 11 (8 months) from 1969 to 1970, during which time he was awarded two Bronze Stars. [4] [5] Thus, O'Neill appears to have spent a total of about 15 months in or off the coast of Vietnam. He is said to have spent some time in a military hospital with a damaged knee and leg upon returning home [6], but O'Neill has not claimed, nor do his military records indicate, that the damage was sustained in combat. In this connection, he received no Purple Hearts during his service years.

Some of O'Neill's claims about his length of service in Vietnam conflict with the records of his service there. For example, on several occasions he claimed to have served in Vietnam "almost three years" [7][8][9], although his records, as described above, indicate that he actually served no more than about 15 months there. Additionally, he claimed to have served "much" of a two year period "in waters adjacent to Vietnam" [10] , to have served in Coastal Division 11 for one year [11][12], and to have served 18 months "in the same place" Kerry served [13]; none of these timelines match the above records. And although he wrote that he "took over [Kerry's boat] after he requested early departure," [14] the records indicate that he took command of PCF 94 more than five months after Kerry left Vietnam (see above).

Cheers
~Norm



To: unclewest who wrote (248173)11/12/2007 10:14:35 AM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
"John O'Neill does not have a dishonest bone in his body....John O'Neill is a true American Patriot"

All I can say is, there's one born every minute, and you are one! But then, you voted for Bush twice, didn't you?
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The lies of John O'Neill: An MMFA analysis; Swift Boat Vets' founder has told repeated untruths about himself, Swift Boat Vets, Unfit for Command

mediamatters.org

For the past several weeks, John E. O'Neill has lied repeatedly about himself, his organization, and his book. He's lied about being a Republican from Texas, lied about his political involvement, lied about his ties to the Nixon White House, lied about his campaign contributions, lied about his co-author, and lied about the makeup of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT), the anti-Kerry group he founded.

O'Neill lied when he said Swift Boat Vets "have no partisan ties"; member in new ad was Bush-Cheney campaign official

O'Neill said on CNN on August 11, "[T]he people in our organization have no partisan ties, we didn't campaign in the last four elections for Democrats, by and large we didn't campaign for anybody."

That's a lie. The new Swift Boat Veterans for Truth advertisement, unveiled August 20, features Ken Cordier criticizing Kerry. Cordier is identified in the ad as "P.O.W., Dec. 1966 - Mar. 1973."

But Cordier isn't just a former prisoner of war. He was also a member of the Bush-Cheney '04 National Veterans Steering Committee until controversy over his dual role with the campaign and the SBVT led to his resignation. The Bush-Cheney '04 campaign website suddenly -- mysteriously -- omits Cordier's name from the list of Steering Committee members, presumably in an effort to hide ties between the campaign and this 527 advertising. But images from a cached copy of the page, as well as a list of committee members, prove his membership.

Cordier was also named to a Bush administration POW Advisory Committee.

Cordier's involvement with the Bush campaign is not a new development. In September 2000, Dick Cheney personally announced Cordier's selection as Vice-Chair of the Veterans for Bush-Cheney '00.

O'Neill lied about being a "Republican from Texas"

During an August 12 appearance on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, O'Neill claimed, "I'm not a Republican from Texas. That's just not true."

O'Neill is, in fact, from Texas. And he has given more than $14,000 in federal contributions to Republican candidates and causes since 1990, including $1,000 to George H. W. Bush in 1992. And he hasn't made any federal contributions to Democratic candidates or causes during that time. And he voted in the 1998 Republican state primary.

O'Neill lied about his political involvement

On the August 12 edition of CNN's Crossfire, O'Neill claimed he has had "no serious involvement in politics of any kind in over 32 years."

In fact, O'Neill has made more than $14,000 in federal contributions to Republican candidates and causes since 1990; most people would consider giving $14,000 a "serious" involvement.

O'Neill denied making thousands of dollars in contributions to GOP; FEC records contradict him

When FOX News Channel managing editor and chief Washington correspondent Brit Hume asked O'Neill to respond to "allegations" that he has made more than $14,000 in federal contributions to Republican candidates and causes since 1990, O'Neill responded by saying "that is not true. ... Actually, about half of them were mine." When Hume asked about "the other $7,000," O'Neill claimed: "Those are actually funds, as nearly as I can tell, that were given my -- by some -- my law partner who has almost the same name, Edward J. O'Neill. I simply didn't give them. I would have been happy to give them. I just didn't."

O'Neill's claim that "Edward J. O'Neill," not he, made the contributions, is contradicted by Federal Election Commission records, which clearly list the contributor as John O'Neill, not Edward O'Neill. Edward O'Neill made his own contributions, which are listed under his name.

It's worth remembering that if Edward O'Neill actually made the contributions in his law partner's name, it would be a violation of federal election law.

O'Neill lied about ties to Nixon White House

After Chris Matthews said to O'Neill, "You go back to the Nixon era, when [former President Richard] Nixon was looking for someone. [Chuck] Colson and those guys were looking for somebody to debunk the Kerry record, because all the records show they were scared to death of this guy. And you played that role," O'Neill replied, "That's just not true."

O'Neill was lying.

Former Nixon special counsel Chuck Colson has said that Kerry was an "articulate" and "credible leader" of those veterans calling for an end to the Vietnam War and therefore "an immediate target of the Nixon administration." As such, the Nixon administration found it necessary to "create a counterfoil" to Kerry. Colson recounted, "We found a vet named John O'Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O'Neill meet the President, and we did everything we could do to boost his group." Articles from the April 21 edition of the Houston Chronicle and the June 17, 2003, edition of The Boston Globe confirm close ties between O'Neill and the Nixon administration.
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en.wikipedia.org

Recruitment By Nixon White House

O’Neill has stated that he deeply resented Kerry’s 1971 testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which, among other things, related controversial testimony about American atrocities given by Vietnam veterans at the earlier Winter Soldier Investigation in Detroit [15]. O'Neill stated that he believed the committee hearings were creating a false impression of popular opinion about Vietnam veterans, and that he contacted the committee, offering to provide additional testimony [16] he believed would contradict Kerry’s, but that his request was denied.

Richard Nixon's former special counsel Charles Colson has stated that he recruited O'Neill to be a "counterfoil" to John Kerry [17]. Kerry had come to prominence as part of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and had become a particular target for the White House since his appearance before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

O'Neill was at the center of the new organization, Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace, and he became a media figure defending the Vietnam war and criticising opponents of the war. O'Neill first met Kerry during a debate on the Dick Cavett Show on June 20, 1971. [18] O'Neill strongly defended American incursions in Laos and Cambodia, and opposed anti-war veterans. He was particularly critical of statements by Kerry that war crimes were committed in Vietnam.



To: unclewest who wrote (248173)11/12/2007 11:52:11 AM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 281500
 
Uncle, I've read a lot of your posts. When you talk about real issues concerning veterans, war tactics and the failure or successes of our civilian leadership you are well worth reading.

Whenever you write about Democrats, however, it's clear that you view them as the "enemy."

I don't know where you developed that kind of hostility, or why, but I think it blinds you to any objective discussion of the merits of such things as Kerry's medals or, with respect to your recent post on the pfp's thread, whether Obama has any "love for America."

I have plenty of disagreements with the Democrats and I understand that there were soldiers who were more deserving of medals than Kerry. (There were a whole bunch of them who were less deserving also.) But for you to ignore the information from those who were close-in eye witnesses to Kerry's actions and for you to ignore the "Nightline" report that went to the village and got the same info from the Vietnamese eye witnesses and, instead, fully accept the "facts" of those who were a long way off or not at the scene, is simply unbelievable.

I'd bet that a whole lot of those "officer" medals of the men who blasted Kerry could be much more easily challenged but the point is, who cares? The man served, he got shot at, he shot back, his men said he was a good and gutsy officer and that should be enough to place him beyond petty criticisms concerning "how much" he "earned" them.

It is for me. Ed



To: unclewest who wrote (248173)11/12/2007 6:07:33 PM
From: Don Hurst  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
>>" I know John O'Neill. I spoke with him just last week on another matter of national strategic importance> "<<

Ohmigosh..."another matter of national strategic importance"??...sure it is...no doubt he's writing another book...OK, who is he swiftboating this time? You can tell us. We promise never ever, ever, ever to divulge this "matter of national strategic importance", never ever, ever. So pretty please, please tell us.