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To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (7050)11/13/2007 8:51:09 AM
From: Fiscally Conservative  Respond to of 50742
 
Makes a lot of sense to me. Although I am of the opinion the Republican party is finished in '08. Ron Paul would best serve the American People by switching Party lines at this point and give Hillary a run for her(Party's) money.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (7050)11/13/2007 4:29:27 PM
From: ahhaha  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50742
 
The lesson that the public can be duped on a regular
basis, again and again... about once every ten years.


The public isn't being duped. They aren't in this market. They're still trying to get out of the RE market.

No one is being duped. What you see in these swings is the mass of traders all trying to fleece the "public", but since the public isn't present except through institutions which merely operate like traders, and lose like traders, the traders are merely fleecing each other. You could say that all these pseudo hot shots out playing the market based on nonsense like sentiment, TA, chart reading, and gut feeling, are the dupes because they're missing a great bull by never holding. So maybe it's only you who is being duped with this comment about the dupers and dupees. They're all dopes. Don't be a dope by playing that game. What game? The game all the traders play where they assume the other guy, the "public" guy, is stupid.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (7050)11/13/2007 6:21:47 PM
From: praha4  Respond to of 50742
 
Slider:

Excellent post, you hit the nail on the head again.

I recall listening to that exchange between Bernanke and Ron Paul, and almost falling down at the moment I heard Bernanke's reply. I don't know if what I felt was shock, or thinking I had momentarily had a hearing loss.

I was in disbelief, my immediate reaction was "did Bernanke really say that?", and "does he expect people to believe that?" "WTF????"

Americans putting their money in savings acounts? That is what caused the spike in money supply? ROFLMAO!!! The average American has NO savings, is in debt up to his neck, and now using his credit card to the max, since the Housing ATM machine has died.

To be honest, I detected the same arrogant smirk on Bernanke's face that we see on Pres Bush's face routinely. That smug, Ivy League, preppy, Yale-Harvard, "Skull n Bones", priveledged, gated community, silk-stocking crowd smirk, that says in spades to Joe 6pack ...

"LET THEM EAT CAKE"

That is the paradigm of the ruling elite, the limosine mafia running Washington and Wall Street. I'm not talking the latte' liberals or neocons here, I'm talking power elites of both parties that are bought and paid for, and don't represent average Americans any longer.

After watching the stock market action of late, I am more convinced than ever the game is rigged, and the house never loses. I think the average "investor" has better odds at Blackjack at Vegas, Atlantic City, or Biloxi, MS. At least in Vegas they have Security, and card counters get caught and get thrown out, or roughed up in the back room. On Wall Street, "card counting", stock manipulation, insider trading, and LYING, LYING, LYING is done every day.

Quant funds rule this market, going short one day, long the next, and the average investor is a pawn in this game.

Hey, don't worry, now we have Bush finally concerned about runaway Federal spending! LOL

today he vetoes Health and Human Services spending bills, but signs runaway Pentagon DOD spending bills, with more billions wasted on pork barrel weapons systems like the V-22 Osprey, which has yet to ever prove itself an aircraft the Marines can use in the Theatre of Operations.

Dont get me wrong, I'm a Vet, and I am in favor of strong defense, but I am disgusted with the childish, polarized government we have in office currently.

so save America, and take those pennies out of your Bank savings acount, and run down to the Mall and SPEND, SPEND, SPEND! That is what CNBC and the rest of the shrills want you to do...

good night and

good luck



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (7050)11/13/2007 9:49:04 PM
From: roto  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50742
 
the thing is the Fed & Bernanke are on the carpet these days but it was the administration's prolificness & complicity in allowing Wall Street license that is the engine of financial independence disasters. & the crap congress was all to eager jumping at the spoils.
the deficit was to be paid by 2012 & instead the party in power squandered this opportunity, ignored common sense, and now the country is spinning clockwise into the toilet unable to figure a way out except currency liquidity. we supposedly have a war. how is that funded? there was no corresponding increase in taxes for that. after all, is it not a war & wars require a massive infusion of public monies for engagement.
what do you imagine if the world will not desire much less assume the influx more massive releases of US$. there will be a lot of cheaper dollars bidding on scarce resources. yesterday, Japan went public with news the Yen may strengthen. this can only lead to another a further run on the dollar. in the wash, foreign holders will liquidate their dollar holdings in favor of stability & protection of wealth. the problems will only be compounded without the world's understanding & complicity (aka help).
being the US$ is the de facto reserve currency of the world we do have fiscal responsibility that does not include gutting the dollar. maybe the logical solution will be a call to arms of all the Gates, Buffets, Forbes, Bloomber, even Soros..& all the captains of industry to figure out a logical solution to this on- going quagmire. but it seems the 'center stage' stage belongs to the Fed with it's too often public statements. it is not much more than a Hollywood production that falls way below
our expectations.
when is the public finger pointing at the perpetrators of our fiscal disasters. why has it been allowed to happen? was anything ever learned from the Savings & Loan fiascoes of the early 90's? there was rage back then too. whatever happened with regulation of financial services?
but the fly in the ointment this time is the debasing of the dollar, something the foreign holders of $5.5 trillion may not be in agreement with. if you want to spend monies like a drunken sailor how in the hell is your bank figure in the corrective action equation except to cut off funds? when sh*t happens, don't go blaming Bernanke every month. it is easy to witness the Ron Pauls & all the other congressional misfits grab the public mic, go center stage, showing the whole world their concerns, their frustrations & what will Bernanke do? maybe he won't blink next time.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (7050)11/13/2007 10:31:14 PM
From: roto  Respond to of 50742
 
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To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (7050)11/13/2007 11:23:55 PM
From: Stormin Norman  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50742
 
A remembrance of Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.

Norm July 4, 2007

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism and abilities of the very worthy gentlemen who are within earshot of my voice. But different men often see the same subject in a different light; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought as disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the American People is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and proportionate to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility, which we hold to God and our country.

Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I would consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we resigned to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things, which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I know of no way of judging the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the U.S Government for the last 7 years to justify those hopes with which Americans have been pleased to solace themselves. Is it the The Federal Reserve Bank counterfeiting the dollar? Or is it Patriot Act or the Military Commissions Act or Presidential Directive 51? Trust them not, my fellow Americans. These will all prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Are recently passed laws that remove our freedoms a work of love, providing hope for a safe future for us? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to love our country that we must give up Liberty for safety? Let us not deceive ourselves, fellow Americans. These are the implements of slavery and subjugation; the last arguments to which tyrants resort.

I ask gentlemen, what do the passing of these laws and the signing of Presidential Directives mean if their purpose is not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has the Executive Branch of our government any enemy, foreign or domestic that would call for all of this accumulation and centralization of powers? No, fellow Americans, it has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent to bind and rivet upon us those chains, which the One World Order has been so long forging. And what have we to oppose them?

Shall we try argument? My fellow Americans, many have been trying for several years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. Some of us have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has all been in vain. Should we resort to urgent requests and humble supplication that fall on deaf ears?

I beseech you fellow Americans, let us not deceive ourselves. Some of us have done everything that could be done to avert the storm, which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrance’s may very well have produced additional loss of freedom and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt by the globalist controlled media, yes even from the very foot of the Oval Office. In vain, after these things, are we to indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.

If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve the purity of our inestimable privileges for which we have so long enjoyed--if we do not abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must wake up. I repeat it, fellow Americans, we must wake up! We are nearly to the point that our only recourse is an appeal to arms and to the God of hosts!

They think of us fellow Americans that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when are we going to be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed or when a Department of Homeland Security guard or a U.N. soldier is stationed at every house? Will we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means, which the God of nature has placed, in our power.

Millions of people, armed with the holy cause of liberty and in such a nation, as we possess, are invincible by any force with which our enemy can send against us. Besides fellow Americans, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations who will go before us in battle. For the revolution gentleman, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.

It is too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking can be heard from Brussels to the hills surrounding the Potomac! The Ron Paul Revolution is inevitable and let it come! I repeat it, fellow Americans, let it come.

It is vain to attempt to lesson the severity and seriousness of the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace ­ but there is no peace. Gentleman may cry safety, safety, but there is no safety. The Ron Paul Revolution is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the Congress may bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? Is life so dear or safety so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

JOIN THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION !!!



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (7050)11/15/2007 3:17:20 PM
From: roguedolphin  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50742
 
FBI Raids Liberty Dollar – Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar - Class Action Lawsuit To Follow!
ronpaulmania.com

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Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. libertydollar.org

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus

Monetary Architect

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Don’t stand for this tyranny! Spread the word and repost these attacks
all over the net.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (7050)11/16/2007 3:20:46 AM
From: Arran Yuan  Respond to of 50742
 
Wall Street or the MAIM Street? In this free, as the people so proudly often self claim, country, the burden of responsibility is on each eligible voter! Or does each of them really carry such a weight? Ron Paul has very slim, if any, chance to be elected as far as I understand. Asked many Americans, most of them do not know who is Ron Paul. A few 'rich' or business owners knew of him said the same sounding no. A system overhaul is needed. But that is not even enough, I am afraid. Is it the morality of a culture? Or is it the cultural ingredient of democracy? After all, natural principle at work here.