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To: GraceZ who wrote (94619)11/13/2007 12:04:17 PM
From: ahhahaRead Replies (3) | Respond to of 306849
 
Whether there will be a recession or not in the general economy isn't totally irrelevant but close to irrelevant.

Yes. Similar to my opinion on 2.71828's thread years ago that FED was irrelevant and had been obviated by ancillary effects of most of the other nations going capitalist to varying degrees while US goes socialist.

There is and will continue to be a recession in the new housing market even while the economy expands. I expect at least 2 to 3 more years of declining unit volume with flat to stagnating prices. RE cycles are long.

How about the market in new houses? It will be stronger due to strong incomes. Contrary to universally held opinion I think incomes will be strong.

You can expect RYL to give back the previous two years of earnings in losses in the next year or two.

RYL is not an earnings play. It's a value play. The kicker could arrive if they can turn it around into an earnings play. It's amazing how powerful brand can reverse your fortunes.

And I don't mean paper losses where they write down the value of this or that but real losses, gross margin losses, where they spend more to make what they sell.

I thought that was the situation at hand. The inflation oriented housing game market is busted, but not the I need a roof over my head market.

In the last quarter the only thing that kept their gross margin from being negative is that they gave out sales incentives instead of lowering prices which moved that cost down to SG&A.

Mechanics. Already reflected in stock price. What happens if the assumptions about recession are wrong? I suspect that those things that have been inflated will get deflated and those things normally growing will continue to grow. There's no force out there that stymies this. FED ain't raising rates. That's the only thing that counts when it comes to recession, and that requires booze, requires a building counter force that throttles incomes. No such force currently exists nor is even on the horizon. It may be on the 'crat horizon though.

As to the stock, the price could reach 40 before it backs off because there will be enough people who think, "Well, gee, they went from 33 to 60 the last time they rose out of a low, so maybe they'll double off the low again." Ugh, I don't want to play that game, it's a bet that others are dumber than I am.

The question is whether RYL is a buy. You haven't given convincing reasons why it isn't. You've only given what most on this thread have been saying for years and still is wrong.

I want a company whose prospects are improving, their prospects are not improving they are getting worse. They haven't even started the major layoffs at corporate they need to make. This leads me to believe they got converted to "permanently high plateau" thinking.

I believe that home prices, for the most part, have reached the permanent high plateau. That's probably worse than plunging. I believe home prices will be stable indefinitely into the future and that's the most bullish thing for home sales and home financing. Without the promise of inflation speculative interest in housing disappears. Then it becomes boring. Investors lose interest. For a company building houses that's as bullish of an environment as is possible.