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To: unclewest who wrote (248415)	11/13/2007 8:48:10 PM
From: Ruffian	Respond to of 281500

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To: unclewest who wrote (248415)	11/13/2007 8:48:10 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"We can only hope that some day non-fighting Americans will come to appreciate the pearls of war experience those of us who fought those wars possess, and not disregard them without due consideration. I am certain you and I share the notion that all the wisdom regarding liberty and freedom in America and the world's wars is not locked inside Manhattan Island, San Francisco, DuPont Circle, the halls of Congress, nor The Whitehouse." If only you knew how to return the respect you earned that those in Manhattan, SF et al have offered you. But no you and your war buddies are the ones who live in the cocoon. Your words to ed are nice. You should listen to ed more and you should stop the name calling for those who also served who disagree with you like kerry, mccain, cleland and jack jacobs and i am sure many others. You and O'Neil are not the only heroes out there.

To: unclewest who wrote (248415)	11/14/2007 1:43:03 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Uncle, this won't be my last reunion. We found names and got addresses by getting daily reports and there are more guys to find. I won't miss it. I told the guys that we had ringworm, leaches, jungle rot, prickly heat rash, not enough water or food, and someone was trying to kill us every minute of every day, but we had each other. And we still do and we still need each other too. I don't think any of us fully realized how true that was until we got together again. I viewed the site for the SF medal of honor guys. It takes a special guy but what a friggen nightmare to have been in shit deep enough to merit that kind of honor. You spent so much time in VN that the places and names flow from you like the names of streets in your home town but my view of VN was a postage stamp view. I can still see the leaves moving in the air, the sun shaded trails, the insects and the foliage, I can still smell the air and the scents of the jungle, I can still hear the sounds and I still feel the electricity when I remember those things but the people places are dim for me. I remember Bien Hoa, the Black Virgin mountain, Tay Ninh, Ton Son Nut, a hospital in Saigon, Cam Ranh Bay and a VN town in the Central highlands (?Song Be?) but the "cities" for me were the LZs that we came out of the jungle to for 5 days every two months or so. I was able to make my way around easily by "bee tracking" the choppers to their pads. I had that "been there" look and the door gunners lifted me wherever I wanted to go but I was too stupid to skate and I always made a bee line back to my unit after RxR or combat leaders course or the other things that took us out sometimes. If we'd have met in a bar over there we'd have recognized each other. You know what I mean. And if I ever get that chance, I'll take that beer and buy you one back. Ed