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To: LindyBill who wrote (227966)11/13/2007 10:49:05 PM
From: DMaA  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793818
 
A little set back here but that won't stop 'em.

California man who sued in federal court seeking to have a congressional decision nullified and a veterans’ memorial cross on Mt. Soledad removed has lost on both counts, giving hope to memorial defenders the 18-year legal odyssey for the site soon will be over.

“We are very pleased with the court’s decision and are hopeful that this epic legal battle will soon be resolved,” said Pete Lepiscopo, of San Diego, an affiliate attorney for The Pacific Justice Institute, which has worked on amicus briefs in the case.

“There is a reason the U.S. Supreme Court, Congress, and the president intervened in this case to protect the Mt. Soledad War Memorial: this nation honors those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to insure such public expressions of faith can continue in this country,” he said.

The case, which still has several minor issues pending, is the only remaining litigation over the existence of the cross at the war memorial in California. It challenged a law signed by President Bush in 2006 that actually accepted the transfer of ownership of the site from the city of San Diego to the federal government.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals earlier dismissed a challenge targeting the city, since the federal government now controls the land. Several hundred thousand Americans, including 27,000 from California, also signed a petition assembled by the American Center for Law & Justice to seek the preservation of the memorial.

The ACLJ represented itself and 20 members of the 110th Congress including U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., who sponsored legislation that transferred control of the Mt. Soledad Memorial to the federal government.



To: LindyBill who wrote (227966)11/13/2007 10:51:28 PM
From: gamesmistress  Respond to of 793818
 
Back in the day, Christmas and Christian holidays generally were the only ones publicly observed, whether you were Christian or not. Now, we get time off for the Jewish High Holy Days, observe Kwanzaa, Ramadan, etc publicly - not everywhere, but in many places. The "Family Tree" kerfluffle seems representative of the pendulum swinging too far the other way - it's OK to celebrate other religious holidays by their own names, but not Christian ones? I was raised Catholic, been non-practicing for about 35 years, am married to a Jewish man and raising our son Jewish. I saw the "Family Tree" as yet another example of PC run amok. If we were celebrating Christmas Lowe's would not be getting my business - too many other businesses still willing to call things by their right names - it's a Christmas tree and nothing else, so knock it off.



To: LindyBill who wrote (227966)11/14/2007 12:07:10 AM
From: Alan Smithee  Respond to of 793818
 
The separation has been carried to the extreme.

This is how the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses of the First Amendment read:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

These clauses had a simple purpose: to prevent establishment of a state religion and to prohibit government from interfering with the free exercise of religion.

What we have today is exactly the opposite. The law as interpreted and applied today is, in my opinion, a perversion of what the founding fathers intended. It is being pushed by those who are threatened by and/or dislike religion and who have an agenda to secularize this country.

As an aside, you want to see a religion, just take a look at liberalism.