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To: Carolyn who wrote (24116)11/14/2007 11:37:05 PM
From: Peter Dierks  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71588
 
"7. from apathy to dependence; "

This is Hillary's campaign platform.



To: Carolyn who wrote (24116)9/15/2009 11:16:43 AM
From: Peter Dierks  Respond to of 71588
 
Sorry to reply to a two year old post. I wanted to bring it forward.
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HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.
I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.
How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."
"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"
"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage"
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000 Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
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From www.truthorfiction.com. This is the most truthful fact checking site on the ineternet.
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This quote has been circulating on the Internet for quite a while.
We have not found any documentation of it beyond the past ten years.
Some versions say its author is a man named Tyler, but It is most often attributed to Sir Alex Fraser Tytler.
Tytler is real. He was a Scottish jurist, historian, and Edinburgh University professor.
We can find evidence that he wrote only one book titled "Universal history, from the creation of the world to the beginning of the eighteenth century" published in 1837 by Hilliard, Gray and Company in Boston.

TruthOrFiction.com has searched a digital version of the book and has not found anything resembling the alleged quote.

We have not found a book titled "The Decline and the Fall of the Athenian Republic" as is described in some versions of the eRumor or a book titled "The Fall of the Athenian Republic."

Last updated 9/27/03



To: Carolyn who wrote (24116)11/11/2010 12:52:00 AM
From: Peter Dierks  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71588
 
Bush's class Carter could learn something
Monday, Nov. 8, 2010

President George W. Bush was not known for his class. He wore cowboy boots, slapped people on the back and called others by nicknames he made up. Yet tomorrow Americans will see how classy W. can be.

Last week Bush taped an episode of "Oprah" that will air tomorrow. In it, Oprah tries to get Bush to criticize, or at least comment on, President Obama's performance. Bush refuses.

"I don't think it's good for a former President to be out there opining on every darned issue," Bush said. "He's got a plenty tough job. Trust me. And there's gonna be plenty of critics, and he doesn't need me criticizing him. And I don't think it's good for the presidency. Other people have a different point of view."

That used to be the accepted view. Former Presidents didn't criticize sitting ones. Jimmy Carter, however, thought himself above such petty traditionalism. In his pursuit of relevance and attention, he publicly thumped Bush early and often. He even wrote an entire column in The New York Times criticizing Bush on the Iraq War.

President Obama is blundering along like a toddler on a sugar high. But Bush keeps his counsel. As he should. Criticizing one's successors diminishes the office of the President, not to mention the one doing the criticizing.

unionleader.com



To: Carolyn who wrote (24116)8/19/2012 10:30:53 PM
From: greatplains_guy  Respond to of 71588
 
What One Economic Index Tells Us About This Year’s Election
Posted by davenj1 (Diary)
Saturday, August 18th at 9:17AM EDT

When looking at economic data as predictors of Presidential election outcomes, most of us tend to focus on items like inflation, unemployment rates, the “misery index,” job creation figures, or GDP growth. All of these are important items, but none really are great predictors in and of themselves. For example, there is the fact that no sitting President has won an election with unemployment above 8% as it is now (except FDR). Of course, this gives Republicans hope and a talking point to use against Obama. Naturally, he counters with the number of jobs created or the number of consecutive months where jobs were created under his “leadership.” However, many economists and political pundits have noticed the high correlation between electoral outcomes and a much overlooked piece of data, the ISM manufacturing index.

So, what exactly is the ISM manufacturing index? Basically, it is a composite of five factors from among eleven total that are indexed. They are based on a monthly survey of managers at about 300 manufacturing companies nationwide. It is important to investors because it is released on the first business day of the month. Furthermore, it is not subject to revisions at a later date. It is more indicative of overall economic activity than its counterpart- the ISM non-manufacturing index- because that index is subject to extreme seasonal volatility that requires adjustments later down the line. Also, it is a qualitative survey and does not ask for specific numbers although the scores derived from the particular components used and the overall index score predict other economic data released later in the month that is quantitative in nature.

The five components are new orders, production, employment, supplier deliveries, and inventory (their own). Obviously, one can see where component scores can affect other economic data. Production indicates overall industrial output while the new order component predicts durable good sales and orders. The employment component predicts not only unemployment rates overall, but manufacturing/non-service sector/ non-public sector job creation. Supplier deliveries will indicate producer prices which will, in turn, affect consumer prices and inflation rates. Finally, inventory indicates whether or not consumer goods are moving.

Investors keep a close watch on the ISM because it is a fairly accurate indication of the economic backdrop upon which they will make decisions with regards to various markets. For example, the stock market likes to see healthy numbers because that translates into higher corporate profits. Conversely, the bond market prefers slower growth because it fears inflationary pressures. Because it is released early in the month with no later revisions, it shows how busy the manufacturing sector is and where management within that sector believes it is headed.

With that said, what does the ISM manufacturing index generally tell us? Under Obama, when the unemployment rate has shown increases, the ISM index declined an average 1.52 points. When there has been no change in the unemployment rate, the ISM has declined, on average, by half that amount at 0.77 while when the unemployment rate has decreased, the ISM has risen an average 0.37 points. The greater the unemployment rate drops on a month-to-month basis, the greater the increase in the ISM. Hence, increases and decreases in the ISM are pretty good indicators of the unemployment rate when it is announced slightly later in the month. As far as job creation is concerned, the less number of jobs created, the greater the decline in the ISM index.

Historical data on the ISM goes back to 1948 so it is a fairly valuable tool with respect to presidential elections. Over the course of an entire presidency, the lowest average ISM was under George H.W. Bush at 47.85 followed by Gerald Ford at 49.27. Both lost their reelection bids as sitting Presidents. Now, obviously other factors likely played in their losses, but the fact remains that they are the only incumbents not reelected with an ISM under 50. The only other incumbent denied a second term was Jimmy Carter who had a 4-year ISM index average of 53.23, which is fairly healthy but the previous damage to his Presidency on the economic front plus the Iranian hostage crisis spelled his defeat.

Looking at the 6-month average heading into an election, it was an average of 49.6, or under the 50 point threshold, when the Oval Office changed party hands. Conversely, when the party in power stayed in power at the White House, the 6-month average was a healthy 55.3. On an overall basis of the four-year stint as President, when there was a power shift, the average ISM index was 50.4 versus 64.1 when the party retained the White House.

When Truman’s party lost power in 1952, the average leading into the election was 47.6. When Kennedy defeated the Republican Nixon in 1960, that average was 44.9 and when Obama took office, the average was 46.9. So what does that tell us about 2012? For the last two months, the ISM has been slightly under 50. The 3-month average falls at about 50, the breaking point. An ISM of 50 spells almost certain defeat for an incumbent President. However, the only exception was 1984 when Reagan carried a 40.9 ISM into the election and won in a landslide. But, the October ISM in 1984- the last one to be digested before that election- was up 5.4 points over September indicating economic optimism. Compare that with the 5.9 point ISM decline in October 2008 when there was anything but economic optimism.

The point here and now is that Obama’s ISM average is borderline at 50.6 which is one of the lowest on record. The only two lower were Ford and Bush I and they both lost. Barack Obama is dangerously close to that territory. As I have noted, over the course of an entire Presidency, incumbents have won with relatively low scores overall, but never with a six or three month average heading into Election Day with an ISM under 50 EXCEPT Ronald Reagan in 1984. The “hope” here is that obviously Barack Obama’s name cannot be said in the same breath with that of Ronald Reagan. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen: “We all knew Ronald Reagan, and you sir (Obama) are no Ronald Reagan.”

The fact is that the economy will determine the outcome of this election and most importantly, the perceptions of where the economy is and where it is headed by voters and investors. In a political world of spin perpetrated by the White House where 0.1 point uptick in the unemployment rate is considered “good news” and a meager job creation number- because it is not a negative- is the new “good norm,” this country could do and has done better.

redstate.com



To: Carolyn who wrote (24116)6/22/2014 3:08:25 PM
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How A Country Dies
by Tyler Durden
06/22/2014 12:22 -0400

A country dies slowly.

Those living during the decline of Rome were likely unaware that anything was happening. The decline took over a couple of hundred years. Anyone living during the decline only saw a small part of what was happening and likely never noticed it as anything other than ordinary.

Countries don’t have genetically determined life spans. Nor do they die quickly, unless the cataclysm of some great war does them in. Even in such extreme cases, there are usually warning signs, which are more obvious in hindsight than at the time.

Few citizens of a dying nation recognize the signs. Most are too busy trying to live their lives, sometimes not an easy task. If death occupies their mind, it is with respect to themselves, a relative or a friend. Most cannot conceive of the death of a nation.

A Country Dies Slowly First

For those interested, signsor symptoms precede death for a country often as they do for a person. There is a pattern that involves the following:

1. The Economy

Economically, people become poorer. It becomes harder to feed a family. Economic growth stalls and then reverses. Work opportunities decline. Disincentives to work rise as government tries to ease the burden on the unemployed and lower skilled. These efforts require more revenues which means higher taxes or debt financing. Disincentives to create jobs are magnified by attempts to address the problem. Higher taxes and other burdens are imposed on the productive making work less attractive.

The response should not be surprising. Capital flees first. It goes to areas where adequate returns are still available. Jobs are created but not in the host country. Finally a “brain drain” begins. Talented people leave the country for places that offer greater opportunity. In the case of the US, to escape US taxes these people must renounce their citizenship. Citizenship renouncements are currently at the highest levels in the history.

The flight of capital, both real and human, further lowers standards of living. Signs of stagnation become more apparent. They may begin as seemingly benign as roads which have too many potholes. “For rent” signs are seen more frequently. Classified job ads decrease. “Going out of Business” sales are no longer marketing gimmicks.

Initially, people dig into their savings or begin to borrow in order to retain their standard of living. Most believe it is a temporary situation. Eventually bankruptcies increase. Strip or full malls close. Large areas like Detroit become close to uninhabitable.

These conditions characterize the beginnings of the decline. As the decline continues, things get much worse.

2. The State

The State is threatened by a decline. Generally it moves into full pretend mode. Three behavioral traits characterize its behavior. The State must convince citizens:
1.things are not as bad as they seem.
2.the State is not responsible for the situation.
3. the State must do more (grow bigger) in order to solve the problems.

Statistics issued by the State are fudged to convey a false image of well-being. Government spending soars in an effort to juice reported economic activity. Much of the spending is unproductive in terms of providing things that would have otherwise been bought. It is also counterproductive to a proper functioning economy as price discovery is disrupted and consumer and investment decisions are based on false signals.

Incentives are provided to encourage people to live beyond their means. Debt appears nearly free and readily available. Bubbles occur and then burst. New bubbles are necessary to replace old bubbles. People and businesses are encouraged to make imprudent decisions, all in the attempt to make the economy appear better.

The State has one objective and that is to remain in power. Laws and regulations multiply at ever faster rates. Tyrannical rules and legislation are passed under the pretense of protecting the people against some threat. In reality, these laws are passed to protect the leaders against the public when they finally understand what has been done to them.

“Bread and circuses” increase to divert peoples attention from the developing problems. Dependency increases reflecting an attempt to placate the masses. A “wag the dog” war or crisis is often used as a means to rally the public against some phony enemy.

3. Society

Society becomes coarsens as this process progresses. People increasingly are unable to provide properly for their families. Some desperately turn to unethical behavior, even criminal acts. Common decency declines.

The regulations imposed from above reduce the sphere of voluntary interactions between people. The government decides more and more what you must do, when and how you must do it. What you can say comes under attack. Finally how you must live is increasingly determined.

Free markets are slowly replaced by a command and control ordering of society. Coercion displaces freedom as the coordinating force for society. People increasingly do what they must rather than what they want.

Interest groups, i.e. politically preferred constituents, created in good times don’t demand less when there is less available. The inability to meet their demands creates political strife and eventually civil problems. Honoring their demands divides society even more. Not honoring demands may produce rioting and civil unrest.

Societybecomes increasingly divided in terms of the “makers” and the “takers.” As the takers grow in numbers, the makers shrink in numbers. Soon the parasites overwhelm the productive. Society collapses at that point.

Are The People Aware?

The United States, the once beacon of freedom and wealth, shows advanced deterioration in all three areas above. The rate of deterioration is accelerating. To paraphrase Ernest Hemingway’s response to a bankruptcy question:

How did your country die? Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.


Do people understand what is happening to them and their country? I suspect they are not aware of the full consequences. Most people are not trained to think in these terms, nor should they be. For most of us, it is a chore to get through each day. That is true of the dullards and the brilliant, for most of us end up at levels that tax our abilities.

People sense there is something wrong even though they may be unable to identify what that something might be. Many probably believe that whatever is happening is temporary, sort of like an economic slowdown that reverts back to normal. For them, it is tighten the belt until the good times return.

The results from a recent Gallup poll are interesting and illustrate the increasing dissatisfaction:





Numerous observations could be made regarding many of these institutions. All have decreased in favorability. Gallup was definitive in this regard:

The current 7% of Americans who place confidence in Congress is the lowest of the 17 institutions Gallup measured this year, and is the lowest Gallup has ever found for any of these institutions. The dearth of public confidence in their elected leaders on Capitol Hill is yet another sign of the challenges that could face incumbents in 2014's midterm elections — as well as more broadly a challenge to the broad underpinnings of the nation’s representative democratic system.


The poll is not a direct measure of the health of the nation. However, it provides a very negative composite of public satisfaction. People know they are unhappy even if they don’t know the cause of their unhappiness.

This confusion and distrust always precedes the death of a nation.

economicnoise.com