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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (248601)	11/16/2007 10:29:04 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"This is no laughing matter. I couldn't agree with you more. Torture is abhorent to all of humanity across time and circumstance. But in modern times we've managed to confuse the issue with political code speak. It is, however, the same old problem of wanting to eat a cake and have it too. When you realize that you can deal with the 'torture' issue. You fight and intend to cause harm to your enemy in combat but a captive should be someone who has surrendered themselves unto your care as a fellow noble creature of God. I have no problem figuring out what torture is, none at all. Nor would any of you if it were being done to you. Torture is any treatment that is punishing to the individual as well as coercive, beyond simple imprisonment. We will never sort this out as long as we have policies that expect us to capture enemies from which we expect to coerce information. I recommend a clean sweep. My policy is when you fight me you have the option of surrendering or dieing, where surrender requires a complete giving up of any and all weaponry including that which is informational. An enemy remains an active enemy in combative status until they have surrendered themselves and any thing they hold that could be construed as a threat to me and mine, whether that be a material weapon or informational weaponry. The only captives then are completely subdued captives and no coercion is necessary. Then when we have a captive, it is only under the most humane treatment we can afford. Most of you would call that barbaric, so be it, but it leaves no room for torture.