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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (17479)	11/19/2007 9:57:19 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 36921

NZealand glaciers retreat due to global warming say scientists Mon Nov 19, 2:51 AM ET WELLINGTON (AFP) - New Zealand's largest glaciers are retreating fast in the face of global warming and could disappear altogether, scientists said Monday. A report by the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) said the volume of ice in New Zealand's Southern Alps had shrunk almost 11 percent in the past 30 years. More than 90 percent of this loss was because the 12 largest glaciers in the mountain range were melting due to rising temperatures, NIWA said. The glaciers have passed a threshold, causing the ice to collapse and creating large lakes at their base, the report said. "The 12 big glaciers with these pro-glacial lakes have passed a tipping point," said NIWA's principal scientist Jim Salinger. "It is not yet clear whether the glaciers will disappear completely with future warming, but they are set to shrink further as they adjust to todayÂ?s climate," he said. "And it is already clear that they will not return to their earlier lengths without extraordinary cooling of the climate, because the large lakes now block their advance." Tasman Glacier, the longest in New Zealand, is now about 23 kilometres (14 miles) long. A five-kilometre lake has formed at its base in the past 30 years. In the 1880s, the glacier was 28 kilometres long. But increased rainfall -- which falls as snow and feeds the higher reaches of the glaciers -- on the western side of the Alps has meant the results for smaller glaciers on that side are mixed, NIWA said. These ice sheets advanced during most of the 1980s and 1990s amid periods of higher rainfall. But the best known of these, the Franz Josef glacier, is still much shorter than in 1900 and has retreated about 230 metres (yards) since 2000, despite gains in the past two years, Salinger said. news.yahoo.com

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (17479)	11/19/2007 10:40:09 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 36921

BTW, on Thurs, somebody at TOD had 5 predicted new excuses why OPEC can't pump more. One was concern over global warming. Friday, SA was starting to use that line... I don't know who first mentioned the possibility of Saudi Arabia using global warming as an excuse for lower crude oil production, but they nailed it. Yergin was just on CNBC, from Saudi Arabia, reporting on OPEC's efforts to "go green" because of global warming. theoildrum.com Related story... Kuwait, UAE pledge $300 million to climate fund 1 hour, 36 minutes ago RIYADH (AFP) - Leading global oil producers Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates pledged 150 million dollars each on Sunday to a new fund to tackle global warming. The creation of the fund, which is now worth 600 million dollars, was announced by Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah on Saturday at the opening of the OPEC summit in Riyadh. "Kuwait announces it is donating 150 million dollars to support this programme," Kuwait's emir Sheikh Sabah al-Ahmad al-Sabah was quoted by KUNA as saying during the summit. The UAE donation was announced through its official WAM news agency after the end of the summit. Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, said it would invest 300 million dollars in the fund which is set to focus on finding technological solutions to the climate change problem. According to the final summit statement, OPEC leaders will insist on the importance of technology to enable the use of "clean oil," notably carbon capture and storage, to help fight global warming. "We insist on the importance of clean technologies for the protection of the world's environment and insist on the importance of developing technologies that can help combat the problem of global warming, such as carbon sequestration," said an Arabic copy of the statement translated by AFP. news.yahoo.com.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (17479)	11/19/2007 11:12:49 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Wharfie, I'll take actual BP Statistical Review data over your made up on a keyboard information thanks on world production of oil. I note that my prediction on oil prices was right and will be again. Thanks for quoting it to show what a masterful prognosticator I am. 2004 dollars is not the same as 2007 dollars. Ask Google about "dollars of the day" etc. Just watch. You will see continuing erosion of oil's market share and you will see prices decline [in 2004 dollars, as stated]. You should read my excellent expositions. Mqurice