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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17553)	11/21/2007 9:19:18 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Do you even know how Lindzen's views on Global Warming have been changing with time? He is grudgingly coming around. He won't get any medals for being last to understand things either. Honors go to the first to spot and explain trends, not the last. That is the difference between Hannsen and Lindzen. One of those two made predictions when nothing was obvious, and he is being proven correct. The other has been saying duh, I don't think so, duh, maybe, duh, I guess so... duh, gee, who could have foreseen this. Kind of like your hero Bush said about Katrina. Well, some people do foresee things correctly, because they use their brains.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17553)	11/21/2007 9:29:25 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36921

When 90% of the relevant experts agree or more or less agree on a theory, it isn't unanimity, but it's a consensus. it doesn't mean that they are necessarily right, true enough, people once believed in ether, for example, but it doesn't mean that they should be disregarded either just because the consensus is sometimes wrong. But that is something that shouldn't be decided in the abstract, as you and your fellow travelers appear to do, you need to look at the nature of the evidence. There are two (or even 7 sides to string theory, everyone agrees on that as controversial, but the point to CO2 and its effects is that the CO2 rise has been measured repeatedly and is very well documented. So have many of its effects. Colin Powell would have been very safe to say, "These are facts, gentlement, not speculation." Will it happen all at once? No. Is what happens exactly predictable? No. Some of the predicted effects appear to happening more quickly than predicted. But the fact that timing can't be guaged doesn't mean that the phenomenon isn't occurring.