To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (383 ) 12/15/2007 5:24:18 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 621 Deflation spotted. Our old mate Ahahaha: Message 24136943 <I have been calling the above termed, "new collapsed objects", ECOs, extremely compact objects. ECOs form the seeds that drive the destruction of the universe at the end of the contraction phase. How long 'til then? Hard to say since the period of cosmological deflation can't be estimated until maximum expansion is reached. However, I can give a hand waving estimate of 10^18 years which is derived from the inverse Planck time. > It's interesting that he uses the size of the cosmos itself to define the size of the cosmos. That's like using the size of the US$ to define the size of the US$. Or the length of a metre to define the length of a metre when parked in Paris or motoring from Shanghai to the airport at the speed of light. It's somewhat self-referential or Goedel Escher Bach as you explained once upon a time. We have been waiting now for 8 years for this deflation stream to inflate. There is no sign of it despite the housing debacle, loan inflations, derivative inflation though the feds are finangling the adjustable rate mortgages and FNM, HOV, FMC, TOL, WLDN and others have shown that there are woes aplenty in the debt and housing departments. I still think [as I did back in 1999] that Uncle Al KBE, Big Ben and the like will do as is traditional and as Big Ben said he'd do = chuck bales of bucks out the helicopter door if necessary. When the measuring stick is shrinking rapidly at the speed of light, the size of housing loans, debts, interest rates and financial black holes can vary greatly too. Event horizons can gobble up a lot in a short time. Mqurice