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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (360252)11/26/2007 1:58:56 PM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574674
 
Now I'll wait while you:

a) Bring up the "hidden costs" of the Iraq war.


So is your assumption that there are no ongoing costs... even after withdrawal? Or do you think the data has less weight because you can anticipate it being used in the discussion?



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (360252)11/26/2007 2:02:17 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574674
 
So Far HILLARY’s Proposals Cost $773 Billion far exceeding the cost of the Iraq war

Her new SPENDING increases (announced so far) exceed the cost of the war by 60% - I plan to remember this for the next time a leftie brings up the cost of the war.

From the Republican National Committee:

HILLARY’S SPEND-O-METER
If Sen. HILLARY Clinton (D-NY) Could Enact All Of Her Campaign Proposals, Taxpayers Would Be Faced With Financing $773 Billion In New SPENDING Over One White House Term. Keep reading for a breakdown of her proposals:

Updated November 5, 2007: HILLARY Has Proposed A $150 Billion Energy Investment Plan Over 10 Years, Equal To $15 Billion Per Year; $15 Billion Multiplied By 4 Years = $60 Billion. “A $50 billion Strategic Energy Fund, paid for in part by oil companies, to fund investments in alternative energy. The SEF will finance one-third of the $150 billion ten-year investment in a new energy future contained in this plan.” (HILLARY Clinton For President Website, www.HILLARYclinton.com, Accessed 11/5/07)
Updated October 17, 2007: HILLARY Proposed $1.75 Billion A Year In State Grants For Paid Family Leave And Child Care Programs; Multiplied By 4 Years = $7 Billion. “Senator HILLARY Rodham Clinton … proposed giving $1 billion in grants to states that enact paid family leave laws and said that she would support requiring employers to provide workers seven days’ annual paid sick leave. … Mrs. Clinton also proposed tens of millions of additional dollars for block grants for child care programs. Together, the new proposals that Mrs. Clinton announced … in New Hampshire would cost $1.75 billion a year.” (Patrick Healy, “Clinton Proposes Big Grants For Family Leave,” The New York Times, 10/17/07)
Updated October 12, 2007: HILLARY Proposed An $8 Billion A Year College Affordability Program, Multiplied By 4 Years = $32 Billion. “And this week she unveiled … an $8 billion annual college affordability program.” (Russell Berman, “Rangel, Clinton To Clash,” The New York Sun, 10/12/07)
Updated October 11, 2007: HILLARY’s Health Care Plan Would Cost $110 Billion Per Year, Multiplied By 4 Years (One White House Term) = $440 Billion. “Clinton’s price tag is $110 billion a year, but analysts say her [health care] plan will cost a lot more than that.” (Donald Lambro, Op-Ed, “Health Care Nightmare,” The Washington Times, 9/24/07)
HILLARY Has Proposed 401(k) For All Americans, Funded In Part By The Government At A Cost Of Up To $25 Billion Per Year, Multiplied By 4 Years = $100 Billion. “HILLARY Clinton unveiled her second-biggest proposal of the campaign so far – after health care — a plan to make 401(k) retirement savings plans available to all Americans. … Clinton’s ‘American Retirement Accounts’ would cost about $20 to 25 billion each year, Clinton’s advisors said yesterday.” (Marcella Bombardieri, “Clinton Targeting Middle Class,” The Boston Globe, 10/9/07)
HILLARY’s Baby Bond Proposal Would Give $5,000 To Each Of The 4 Million Babies Born In The U.S. Each Year, Totaling $20 Billion Per Year, Multiplied By 4 Years = $80 Billion. “Democratic presidential candidate HILLARY Rodham Clinton said … that every child born in the United States should get a $5,000 ‘baby bond’ from the government … Approximately 4 million babies are born each year in the United States.” (Devlin Barrett, “Clinton: $5,000 For Every U.S. Baby,” The Associated Press, 9/28/07)
• “It Would Be Expensive — About $20 Billion A Year — And Clinton Offered No Way To Pay For It.” (Editorial, “Clinton’s Baby Boondoggle,” The Chicago Tribune, 10/2/07)
For Public Transit, HILLARY Would Spend $1.5 Billion Per Year, Multiplied By 4 Years = $6 Billion. “[S]he proposed SPENDING $1.5 billion per year for public transit …” (Christina Bellantoni, “Democrats Can’t Afford ‘08 Promises,” The Washington Times, 9/20/07)
HILLARY Would Spend $10 Billion On Bridges Over 10 Years, Equal To $1 Billion Per Year; $1 Billion Multiplied By 4 Years = $4 Billion. “After the Minnesota bridge collapse last month, she proposed … $10 billion over 10 years to redesign and reconstruct ailing bridges.” (Christina Bellantoni, “Democrats Can’t Afford ‘08 Promises,” The Washington Times, 9/20/07)
HILLARY Plans To Spend $1 Billion For At-Risk Mortgage Borrowers. “She has proposed $1 billion to help at-risk mortgage borrowers avoid foreclosure.” (Christina Bellantoni, “Democrats Can’t Afford ‘08 Promises,” The Washington Times, 9/20/07)
HILLARY Would Commit $10 Billion For Education In Developing Countries Over 5 Years, Equal To $2 Billion Per Year; $2 Billion Multiplied By 4 Years = $8 Billion. “Presidential hopeful Sen. HILLARY Rodham Clinton wants the U.S. government to commit $10 billion over five years to get young children in developing countries into school …” (Amy Fagan, “HILLARY Seeks ‘Education For All,’” The Washington Times, 5/2/07)
HILLARY Pledged $300 Million For “Second Chance Education.” “Democratic presidential candidate HILLARY Rodham Clinton, vowing to ‘stop the revolving door from the streets to prison,’ pledged to invest $300 million as president into public-private programs for ‘second chance education’ and reintegrating ex-offenders into communities.” (Peter Hecht, “Clinton Vows To Back Programs For ‘Second Chance Education,’” Sacramento Bee, 10/1/07)
HILLARY Committed $36 Million For School Phys-Ed Programs. “Smaller-ticket items … [include] $36 million for school physical-education programs.” (Christina Bellantoni, “Democrats Can’t Afford ‘08 Promises,” The Washington Times, 9/20/07)
HILLARY’s Universal Pre-K Would Cost $5 Billion The First Year, And Over The Next 5 Years Annual Expenditures Would Increase To $10 Billion, Meaning At A Minimum It Would Cost $5 Billion Per Year Over The First 4 Years; $5 Billion Multiplied By 4 Years = $20 Billion. HILLARY Clinton’s “Fact Sheet” On Universal Pre-K: “The federal government will allocate $5 billion in the first year to states to establish and administer universal Pre-K. Over the next five years, the federal commitment will increase to $10 billion as states increase their commitment to Pre-K.” (HILLARY Clinton For President Website, HILLARYclinton.com, Accessed 9/28/07)
HILLARY Would Increase The Number Of National Science Foundation Fellowships And Increase The Size Of Each Award, At An Annual Cost Of $378 Million; $378 Million Multiplied By 4 Years = Over 1.5 Billion. “Triple the number of NSF fellowships and increase the size of each award by 33 percent. … It is estimated that this would increase the annual cost of the program from $122 million to $500 million.” (HILLARY Clinton For President Website, HILLARYclinton.com, Accessed 10/10/07)
She Would Double The NIH’s Budget Over 10 Years – An Additional $28 Billion, Equal To 2.8 Billion Per Year; $2.8 Billion Multiplied By 4 Years = $11.2 Billion. “At a recent cancer forum, Mrs. Clinton said she would ‘double’ the National Institute of Health’s $28 billion budget … over 10 years.” (Christina Bellantoni, “Democrats Can’t Afford ‘08 Promises,” The Washington Times, 9/20/07)
And Would Double The National Cancer Institute’s Budget Over 10 Years – An Additional $5 Billion, Equal To $500 Million Per Year; $500 Million Multiplied By 4 Years = $2 Billion. “At a recent cancer forum, Mrs. Clinton said she would ‘double’ … the National Cancer Institute’s nearly $5 billion budget over 10 years.” (Christina Bellantoni, “Democrats Can’t Afford ‘08 Promises,” The Washington Times, 9/20/07)

Sure it’s only 3/4 of a trillion dollars.
But you know, 3/4 of a trillion here and 3/4 of a trillion there, and soon you’re talking about real money.

HILLARYs-proposals-cost-773-billion'>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/so-far-HILLARYs-proposals-cost-773-billion



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (360252)11/26/2007 3:22:51 PM
From: combjelly  Respond to of 1574674
 
"a) Bring up the "hidden costs" of the Iraq war."

Nothing much hidden about the costs. We either will have to pay for the long term care of the vets who have been disabled, or kick them to the street. And those costs are high and will be ongoing.

I know, I know. They volunteered, why should we have to pay for their care?

In addition, the wear and tear on the vehicles used in Iraq is very high, they all will have to be replaced much sooner than normal.



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (360252)11/27/2007 12:03:35 AM
From: Alighieri  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574674
 
Whoops, yet another liberal who doesn't bother to check his statistics:

Your accounting practices would land you in jail if you used them in a publicly traded company.

$450B is what we have already spent. A recent estimate puts the figure at $1.6T...including those pesky future liabilities you guys like to remind us of when talking about social programs.

This study puts the eventual costs at $2T.

milkeninstitute.org

The national debt has doubled during the last 7 years, in part thanks to bush's war and your beloved tax cuts.

Today, we spend $420B yearly in interest payments on the debt your vote has helped create.

You should be incensed, but instead you continue the partisan propaganda bull shit, begrudge your less fortunate citizen folk for the sake of a few bucks more in your pocket, and fret that your health care will diminish in quality if you share it with others...

Al