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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (250405)12/3/2007 3:46:40 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
With Earth's atmosphere having been stripped away over eons by living things consuming the carbon, and carbon by the petaton buried in limestone, shale, coal, peat, gas, oil, bitumen, Earth is much more likely to end up frozen like Mars rather than hot like Venus.

For billions of years, Earth has been cooling, crystallizing, freezing. The trend has not stopped. Gaia is not in happy self-balancing harmony. Gaia is a suicidal maniac who must be stopped.

After a century of vast effort to burn hydrocarbons and coal, all we have achieved is 380 ppm. Pathetic. With luck, we might get to 450ppm before the human population starts dropping fast after Peak People and Peak Oil in 2037 is reached.

Since 1500 ppm was common millions of years ago, it doesn't seem likely that even 1000 ppm would be a problem. But we won't be getting there any time soon. Meanwhile, plants are loving it.

Mqurice



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (250405)12/3/2007 10:14:37 AM
From: bentway  Respond to of 281500
 
"All this amounts to is more scare talk"

Nadine! Shouldn't you be really DOWN with another fear monger? But, I guess the fear being mongered doesn't advance your agenda.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (250405)12/4/2007 11:07:39 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Venus inferno due to 'runaway greenhouse effect', say scientists by Marlowe Hood
Wed Nov 28, 1:37 PM ET

PARIS (AFP) - Once styled as Earth's twin, Venus was transformed from a haven for water to a fiery hell by an unstoppable greenhouse effect, according to an investigation by the first space probe to visit our closest neighbour in more than a decade.

Like peas in a cosmic pod, the second and third rocks from the Sun came into being 4.5 billion years ago with nearly the same radius, mass, density and chemical composition.

But only one, Earth, developed an atmosphere conducive to life. The other, named with unwitting irony after the Roman goddess of love, is an inferno of carbon dioxide (CO2), its surface hot enough to melt steel.

The European Space Agency's (ESA) Venus Express, orbiting its prey since April 2006, seeks to explain this astonishing divergence.

Preliminary data from the probe reveal a Venus that is more Earth-like than once thought -- but not in ways that are reassuring.

At first blush, the two worlds, 42 million kilometres (26 million miles) apart at their closest points, could hardly be more different.

Earth's temperature range has remained largely stable and its atmosphere has maintained a balance of gases -- and this, with the precious water covering two-thirds of its surface, has allowed riotous biodiversity to flourish.

Venus' atmosphere, though, overwhelming comprises suffocating CO2 and a permanent blanket of clouds laced with sulphuric acid. Oxygen is nowhere to be found, nor is any water except in atmospheric traces.

Its surface hovers at 457 degrees Celsius (855 degrees Fahrenheit) and has a pressure equivalent, on Earth, to being a kilometer (3,250 feet) under the sea.

But this was not always so, says Hakan Svedhem, an ESA scientist and lead author of one of eight studies published on Wednesday in the British journal Nature.

Venus, he believes, may have been partially covered with water before it became doomed by global warming.

"Probably because Venus was closer to the Sun, the atmosphere was a little bit warmer and you got more water very high up," he told AFP.

As water vapour is a greenhouse gas, this further trapped solar heat, causing the planet to heat up even more. So more surface water evaporated, and eventually dissipated into space.

It was a "positive feedback" -- a vicious circle of self-reinforcing warming which eventually caused the planet to become bone dry.

Even today, Earth and Venus have roughly the same amount of CO2. But whereas most of Earth's store remains locked up in the soil, rocks and oceans, on Venus the extreme heat pushed the gas into the air.

"You wound up with what we call a runaway greenhouse effect," Svedhem told AFP in an interview. "(It) reminds us of pressing problems caused by similar physics on Earth."

Venus Express, the first dedicated mission since the US Magellan Orbiter mapped the planet's surface in the early 1990s, is equipped with an arsenal of sensors to peer through the dense clouds across the entire light spectrum.

One surprise already turned up by the 600-kilo (1,320-pound) probe is a 30-40 C (55-70 F) variation between daytime and nighttime temperatures at an altitude of 60 kilometres (40 miles).

At this height, violent winds three times stronger than hurricanes on Earth should even out differences, or so it had been thought.

There are many questions yet to be answered during the mission, which is scheduled to last through 2013.

One is whether there is lightning on Venus. Given the kind of clouds covering the planet, there simply should not be any, Andrew Ingersoll, a professor at Caltech University in Pasadena, California, said in a commentary, also published in Nature.

But Venus Express has detected "whistlers," low-frequency electromagnetic waves that last a fraction of a second and are normally a sure sign of electrical discharges.

Another enigma: sometime within the last 700 to 900 million years, the planet seems to have lost its skin, its topography resculpted by some giant force.

"Venus has quite recently completely changed its surface," said Svedhem. "Some event completely changed everything -- this is a strange process we do not completely understand."
news.yahoo.com.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (250405)12/4/2007 11:18:06 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 281500
 
Venus inferno due to 'runaway greenhouse effect', say scientists by Marlowe Hood
Wed Nov 28, 1:37 PM ET

PARIS (AFP) - Once styled as Earth's twin, Venus was transformed from a haven for water to a fiery hell by an unstoppable greenhouse effect, according to an investigation by the first space probe to visit our closest neighbour in more than a decade.

Like peas in a cosmic pod, the second and third rocks from the Sun came into being 4.5 billion years ago with nearly the same radius, mass, density and chemical composition.

But only one, Earth, developed an atmosphere conducive to life. The other, named with unwitting irony after the Roman goddess of love, is an inferno of carbon dioxide (CO2), its surface hot enough to melt steel.

The European Space Agency's (ESA) Venus Express, orbiting its prey since April 2006, seeks to explain this astonishing divergence.

Preliminary data from the probe reveal a Venus that is more Earth-like than once thought -- but not in ways that are reassuring.

At first blush, the two worlds, 42 million kilometres (26 million miles) apart at their closest points, could hardly be more different.

Earth's temperature range has remained largely stable and its atmosphere has maintained a balance of gases -- and this, with the precious water covering two-thirds of its surface, has allowed riotous biodiversity to flourish.

Venus' atmosphere, though, overwhelming comprises suffocating CO2 and a permanent blanket of clouds laced with sulphuric acid. Oxygen is nowhere to be found, nor is any water except in atmospheric traces.

Its surface hovers at 457 degrees Celsius (855 degrees Fahrenheit) and has a pressure equivalent, on Earth, to being a kilometer (3,250 feet) under the sea.

But this was not always so, says Hakan Svedhem, an ESA scientist and lead author of one of eight studies published on Wednesday in the British journal Nature.

Venus, he believes, may have been partially covered with water before it became doomed by global warming.

"Probably because Venus was closer to the Sun, the atmosphere was a little bit warmer and you got more water very high up," he told AFP.

As water vapour is a greenhouse gas, this further trapped solar heat, causing the planet to heat up even more. So more surface water evaporated, and eventually dissipated into space.

It was a "positive feedback" -- a vicious circle of self-reinforcing warming which eventually caused the planet to become bone dry.

Even today, Earth and Venus have roughly the same amount of CO2. But whereas most of Earth's store remains locked up in the soil, rocks and oceans, on Venus the extreme heat pushed the gas into the air.

"You wound up with what we call a runaway greenhouse effect," Svedhem told AFP in an interview. "(It) reminds us of pressing problems caused by similar physics on Earth."

Venus Express, the first dedicated mission since the US Magellan Orbiter mapped the planet's surface in the early 1990s, is equipped with an arsenal of sensors to peer through the dense clouds across the entire light spectrum.

One surprise already turned up by the 600-kilo (1,320-pound) probe is a 30-40 C (55-70 F) variation between daytime and nighttime temperatures at an altitude of 60 kilometres (40 miles).

At this height, violent winds three times stronger than hurricanes on Earth should even out differences, or so it had been thought.

There are many questions yet to be answered during the mission, which is scheduled to last through 2013.

One is whether there is lightning on Venus. Given the kind of clouds covering the planet, there simply should not be any, Andrew Ingersoll, a professor at Caltech University in Pasadena, California, said in a commentary, also published in Nature.

But Venus Express has detected "whistlers," low-frequency electromagnetic waves that last a fraction of a second and are normally a sure sign of electrical discharges.

Another enigma: sometime within the last 700 to 900 million years, the planet seems to have lost its skin, its topography resculpted by some giant force.

"Venus has quite recently completely changed its surface," said Svedhem. "Some event completely changed everything -- this is a strange process we do not completely understand."
news.yahoo.com.

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If global warming continues at the current rate, we could be facing extinction. So what exactly is going to happen as the Earth heats up? Here is a degree-by-degree guide

1c Increase

Ice-free sea absorbs more heat and accelerates global warming; fresh water lost from a third of the world's surface; low-lying coastlines flooded

2c Increase

Europeans dying of heatstroke; forests ravaged by fire; stressed plants beginning to emit carbon rather than absorbing it; a third of all species face extinction

3c Increase

Carbon release from vegetation and soils ?speeds global warming; death of the Amazon rainforest; super-hurricanes hit coastal cities; starvation in Africa

4c Increase

Runaway thaw of permafrost makes global warming unstoppable; much of Britain made uninhabitable by severe flooding; Mediterranean region abandoned

5c Increase

Methane from ocean floor accelerates global warming; ice gone from both poles; humans migrate in search of food and try vainly to live like animals off the land

6c Increase

Life on Earth ends with apocalyptic storms, flash floods, hydrogen sulphide gas and methane fireballs racing across the globe with the power of atomic bombs; only fungi survive

Chance of avoiding six degrees of global warming: zero if the rise passes five degrees, by which time all feedbacks will be running out of control
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