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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (17972)	12/5/2007 5:23:08 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Which is a good example of why you should deal with the issues and arguments rather than the person making them (accept if someone is trying to make an argument from authority, if someone says X is likely right because Y says it is, than you should either dismiss the argument up front as no matter who Y is he may be wrong, or if your going to give it any weight at all, you should check out who Y is). You completely missed the point. I happily admit individual issues to either AGW sceptics or creationists. I don't admit a slim chance in hell that they get the big picture correct. If someone says, like Steve McIntyre (SP??) did recently that there is an error in this temp data of a minor amount, it is certainly worth considering. If Steve McIntrye says that all this CO2 going into the atmosphere cannot be causing a discernible temp increase on the planet (ala the Hockey stick) I know enough to dismiss him as a fool. The same with creationists. Evolution, natural selection, etc. are foundations of biology and pretty solidly established. How on earth do you know that? "The Earth is warming, solely or primarily because of human emission of CO2", is less so. Is this a strawman or what? The earth warms and cools for many non-human reasons. It is CURRENTLY in a warming trend, and will continue to be in one, primarily due to human initiated causes. That is very well established. "The Earth is warming, solely or primarily because of human emission of CO2, and if we don't drastically cut the CO2 emissions in X time frame, it will result in a massive world wide calamity, while if we do make these major cuts we will be ok, or at least in a much better situation than if we don't" Again, strawman. The Earth is warming due to human initiated actions, and the consequences are likely to be bad enough that economical steps should be taken now to reduce the future impact. That is pretty clear as well. We aren't handing out honors here. If you want to, than fine, honor who you want, but it doesn't change the fact that What did Gore & the IPCC scientists recently get? Are you asleep?