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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (110704)12/6/2007 6:46:24 AM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 173976
 
If you want to provide a convincing argument you've got to say something other than ...."you're wrong"

But you really are wrong. I mean you have no idea what its in the Bible. Your "information" is propaganda from atheist sites which tells you what you want to believe.

.....You are asserting things that were questioned and pointed out by scholars,

You've asserted nothing that comes from real scholars.

but you provide no proof except to say you've read the bible.....big whip.


Remember the three books I recommended you read? BTW you can read the Bible yourself. You don't have to rely on atheist websites to explain it to you.

Now how about some references......

Again? Ok:

If you (or anyone else) are really interested, you should read Mark D. Roberts "Can We Trust the Gospels", FF BRUCE "New Testament Documents : Are They Reliable?", or Richard Bauckham "Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony".

amazon.com

amazon.com

amazon.com

A short version of FF BRUCE's work is online:

worldinvisible.com

I invite you to check it out. You are obviously interested. So have the courage to really investigate the subject. Don't be chicken.

And BTW, I studied the Bible for a whole year in college.

Groan. No wonder you're miseducated.

"His not mentioning every aspect of Jesus's life in such writings is not evidence he knew nothing of Jesus."

Does he mention any aspect of Jesus life???? If you're trying to convince people to adopt your religion, don't you think that you would preach the most prominent tenets of the religion???? Surely that would appear in your writings...


Paul deals primarily with the meaning of Jesus's resurrection for Christians. Producing a primer on Jesus's life wasn't his purpose in writings his letters to various churches and individuals. His friend, Luke, however did write one of the Gospels. Why don't you read it?



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (110704)12/6/2007 5:37:16 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
In the passages below from the Gospel of Luke and Paul's first epistle to Timothy, Paul quotes a short passage from the Gospel of Luke. The Pauline epistles are usually considered the earliest Christian writings. But we aren't really sure about this timing. In this case, this particular letter must have followed Luke's writing of his Gospel as Paul quotes a saying of Jesus in it as "Scripture". This shouldn't be too surprising. Luke and Paul were friends and associates. At any rate, it's an example of Paul's knowing enough about Jesus to quote him. He did this one or two other places in his epistles though I can't recall just where now. If I have to I'll research that. But anyway, this proves the point that your atheist website's claim that Paul "knew nothing about Jesus" is nonsense.

1After this the Lord appointed seventy-two[a] others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. 2He told them, "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. 3Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. 4Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road.
5"When you enter a house, first say, 'Peace to this house.' 6If a man of peace is there, your peace will rest on him; if not, it will return to you. 7Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

Luke 10: 1-7

17The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. 18For the Scripture says, "Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain," and "The worker deserves his wages."

1 Timothy 5: 17, 18

From the New International Version.