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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (110774)	12/6/2007 10:44:49 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

Where is Jesus mentioned??? He's the fellow in verse 1 referred to as the Lord. How do you know that, there is no definition of Lord and since Jesus wasn't mentioned isn't it just wishful thinking on your part? Uh, that passage was from the Gospel of Luke. The entire book is about Jesus. Try reading it and you won't end up claiming the Gospel of Luke doesn't mention Jesus. ---------------------- There's no reason not to call a militantly atheist website what it is. On their page they have things like "About Atheism" and "New to Atheism?" That's all they're about. Why deny it? Militantly????? Yep. Anyone can go to infidels.org and judge for themselves if I've described it accurately. ------------------------- Being hyperbolic, aren't you? And I find the word atheist only 2 or 3 times Evenything on the site is about atheism. Why deny this? Anyone who thinks I'm exaggerting can check it out themselves and see. -------------------------- Once again, where does Paul, mention Jesus, I gave you an instance of Paul quoting Jesus. You seem to be under a misimpression from the atheist site that Paul doesn't mention Jesus. Well, the first Pauline epistle in the New Testament starts off like this: "Romans 1 Salutation 1:1 From Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God. 1:2 This gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy scriptures, 1:3 concerning his Son who was a descendant of David with reference to the flesh, 1:4 who was appointed the Son-of-God-in-power according to the Holy Spirit by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord." All you have to do is click on a Bible website and do some reading and you'd know the things you're claiming are incorrect. --------------------------- not someone or something you want to think is Jesus? I think the person he calls Jesus is Jesus. Not much need for interpretation there. ---------------------------- Re: resurrection, he only mentions resurrection of the saints???? No, in fact he says he is one of over 500 people to whom the ressurected Lord appeared: "1 Corinthians 15 Christ’s Resurrection 15:1 Now I want to make clear for you, brothers and sisters, the gospel that I preached to you, that you received and on which you stand, 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you – unless you believed in vain. 15:3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received – that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures, 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 15:6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 15:7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 15:8 Last of all, as though to one born at the wrong time, he appeared to me also." ------------------------ Christians believe in resurrection of saints??? I'm still waiting for you to explain your citation. Where does it come from? I could guess what you're talking about but why? You should be clear what you're asking about.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (110774)	12/8/2007 1:03:05 AM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

This is where Paul was transported to the "Third Heaven" and was fully known by Christ. It is after this that Paul knew he was to take the Gospel to the rest of the world to include the Gentiles. Jim "2Co 12:1 I must needs glory, though it is not expedient; but I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2Co 12:2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven. 2Co 12:3 And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth), 2Co 12:4 how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2Co 12:5 On behalf of such a one will I glory: but on mine own behalf I will not glory, save in my weaknesses. 2Co 12:6 For if I should desire to glory, I shall not be foolish; for I shall speak the truth: but I forbear, lest any man should account of me above that which he seeth me to be, or heareth from me. 2Co 12:7 And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch. 2Co 12:8 Concerning this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 2Co 12:9 And he hath said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my power is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."