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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (110778)	12/7/2007 12:09:33 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"Uh, that passage was from the Gospel of Luke. The entire book is about Jesus. Try reading it and you won't end up claiming the Gospel of Luke doesn't mention Jesus. " That passage doesn' t mention anyone named Jesus.....is that the best you've got? I will repeat. The passage was from the Gospel of Luke. The entire Gospel of Luke is about Jesus. That's not a debatable claim. Everyone who has cracked open the Bible knows this. If you read a little of it as I've invited you to, you'd know it too. Amazing. Why are you so afraid of the Bible? What is the reason you can't open a Bible and read it for yourself? Is your faith in atheism that weak, that you fear exposing yourself to Scripture? I wasn't afraid of opening the infidels.org site to see what was there. -------------------------- Militantly? Yep. Anyone can go to infidels.org and judge for themselves if I've described it accurately. You mean like this???? Definition: 1 : engaged in warfare or combat : fighting 2 : aggressively active (as in a cause) : combative <militant conservationists> <a militant attitude> "aggressive active (as in a cause)" - Yes that meets the definition. ------------------------------ In that case, I think the fundies are far more "militant". You're welcome to your opinion. ------------------------------ Evenything on the site is about atheism. Why deny this? Anyone who thinks I'm exaggerting can check it out themselves and see. OK.....show the atheism here.....I see a lot of questions that you should have asked before you blindly became a believer in a story that defies any logical comprehension.... If anyone told you that tale today, you'd laugh them out of the room... infidels.org; I've read that and its silly. Claiming Jesus didn't really live at all is as logical as claiming Alexander the Great or George Washington or Socrates never existed. Gauvin wasn't a scholar and he cites no scholars. He was an uneducated crank: tektonics.org If you want real scholarship on the New Testament, go with FF Bruce, Richard Bauckham, or Mark D. Roberts - the sources I referred you to earlier. For example, consider FF Bruce's background: Frederick Fyvie Bruce (12 October 1910 – 11 September 1990) was a Bible scholar, and one of the founders of the modern evangelical understanding of the Bible. His work New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? is considered a classic in the discipline of Christian apologetics. [edit] Biography He was born in Elgin, Moray in Scotland and was educated at the University of Aberdeen, Cambridge University and the University of Vienna. After teaching Greek for several years first at the University of Edinburgh and then at the University of Leeds he became head of the Department of Biblical History and Literature at the University of Sheffield in 1947. In 1959 he moved to the University of Manchester where he became professor of Biblical Criticism and Exegesis. In his career he wrote some thirty-three books and served as editor of The Evangelical Quarterly and the Palestine Exploration Quarterly. He retired from teaching in 1978. That's a scholar. Compare to your guy Gauvin: Marshall J. Gauvin was born near Moncton, New Brunswick, in 1881. As a youth he worked for eleven years for the Canadian National Railways as carpenter and cabinet maker. After years of self-education and preparation, he embarked on a career as a freelance public lecturer and educator. He lectured for fourteen years in Pittsburgh, Indianapolis and Minneapolis. In 1926 he came to Winnipeg at the invitation of the One Big Union. He lectured weekly in Winnipeg for fourteen years on rationalism and humanism in the Metropolitan, Garrick and Dominion theatres. He became well known for his anti-religious sentiments and his weekly "anti-sermons" which were well attended during the 1920's and 1930's. On retiring from the lecture platform in 1940, he worked for the duration of the war at MacDonald Aircraft Ltd. building and repairing planes for the Royal Canadian Air Force. Gauvin also wrote monthly articles for the Truth Seeker magazine until his health failed. What more needs to be said? --------------------------------- Christians believe in resurrection of saints??? I'm still waiting for you to explain your citation. Where does it come from? I could guess what you're talking about but why? You should be clear what you're asking about." I think that is Paul epistles.... Think? Which one? Chapter, verse? Why not just admit you don't have the foggiest notion of what you're talking about? But that condition can be cured. You can and should educate yourself. I've told you where to go to do that.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (110778)	12/7/2007 4:03:42 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

Liberal Talk show host indicted for child porn SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - San Francisco radio talk show host Bernie Ward has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of using the Internet to send and receive child pornography, his lawyer said today. The indictment is under seal, but the charges were confirmed by Ward's lawyer, Doron Weinberg, and by his employer, KGO radio. Weinberg said Ward, 56, pleaded not guilty to the indictment before a federal magistrate in San Francisco today. He said Ward is due to reappear in court in late January before U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker for a status conference and scheduling of a trial date. Weinberg said the case stems from an "error of judgment" Ward made when he spent a few days in 2004 looking at pornography images and exchanging images with other adults when doing research for a book on hypocrisy. (how ironic, lol) The attorney said, "It's really tragic that the government has decided to prosecute him for a judgment he made as a journalist and to treat him as a child pornographer when he is not." KGO Operations Director Jack Swanson said the station is for the time replacing Ward with a substitute on his two shows - a nighttime 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. show Monday through Friday and a Sunday morning show called Godtalk. Swanson said, "Bernie Ward has been a valued, longtime employee of KGO Radio. We were just recently made aware of these serious charges and are surprised and concerned by their nature." Swanson said, "As the matter is currently pending in federal court, we will have no additional comment at this time." A spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in San Francisco, which is prosecuting the case, could not be reached for comment. Weinberg said the indictment was issued in late October but prosecutors agreed to keep it sealed while Ward conducted his annual Thanksgiving Charities drive, which according to KGO raises thousands of dollars annually for hungry and homeless people in the Bay Area. Weinberg said he expects the indictment to be unsealed within the next few days, following Ward's court appearance today. Weinberg said Ward wanted to learn about the culture of child pornography because he planned to include hypocrisy about pornography in his book. Ward never finished the book because the FBI searched his house and seized his hard drive in early 2005, the attorney said. "It may have been an error of judgment, but he was not doing it to exploit children," Weinberg said. Ward lives in San Francisco and is married and has four children. — Bay City News ============================ Funny, GED never got around to putting this one up on the board. Maybe that's because the only reaction that a pediphilic Liberal evokes is a yawn.