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Politics : Ask Michael Burke -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110134)	12/8/2007 4:03:25 PM
From: LowtherAcademy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

H Mike, Thought this might be of interest: svpvril.com And, as a personal note, when are people going to figure out that the ratio of NG to Oil is 6 to 1, and pretty much a stinkin' law? There, feel better now, ggg. Lew

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110134)	12/9/2007 10:48:03 AM
From: Freedom Fighter	Respond to of 132070

KT, 1. It's impossible to know what he knew. He probably knew approximately what it was going to say, what it was likely to say, etc... but it's also obvious it was still being discussed and finalized otherwise they would have released it in the summer instead of last week. 2. When there are political hacks and other fools out there making a bigger deal out of rhetoric like "world war 3" than the actual intelligence failings and controversy over whether we are even right now, of course there will be an effort to spin back. It's politics, but should be insignificant among people that understand WTF is actually going on. 3. If the fools on the left were actually concerned with important national security issues instead of scoring political points, there would be no need to spin back. Everyone with 1/2 a brain and some desire to be responsible from both sides would already be sitting around a table trying to figure out how our intelligence was wrong again and how we can fix it. The rhetoric is insignificant because there is a 0% probability it was about to or ever going to cause a war on it's own. Only the intelligence (right or wrong) was going to do that. That's why we should be celebrating the fact that we may avoided a war - assuming we have it right now. However, it's not impossible that this more BS. We played hardball with the Iranians and they didn't blink. We don't have the resources to do anything about it. So for all I know, Iran may have a nuke weapons plan, we many know about it, but this is a face saving way to back down and deal with it another way. KT, I love you, but people like you are one the main things wrong with this country right now. You care more about bashing your political opponents than addressing real issues and problems.

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110134)	12/9/2007 11:13:30 AM
From: Freedom Fighter	Respond to of 132070

KT, >So, if it's an official lie, you are buying it hook, line and sinker? Because of your hatred of Democrats and other real Americans?< No, I totally don't care about it because it's about politics. That's the exact problem. We shouldn't be wasting time on politics. The only thing I care about is getting the intelligence right so that the U.S. can make appropriate decisions in the future about what to do if and when Iran gets close to making nuclear weapons and in other situations. That's the only thing that people with functioning grey matter between their ears care about unless they are politicians and political hacks trying to score points.

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110134)	12/9/2007 11:57:02 AM
From: Knighty Tin	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 132070

Two great CIA stories this week. First, they destroyed the tape of a waterboarding to "protect the people performing the process." They couldn't use those little blurred pictures the way they do on "Cops?" Secondly, we were buying top physicists in Iran to join our side. I am surprised they would reveal that, as it may get hot for a lot of scientists now that that story is revealed. I think the biggest point that needs clarification is, when a country shuts down its nuclear weapons program, there is no switch that cuts it all off immediately. So, when Iran decided to stop in 2004, there was still plenty of activity at the sites, probably for several months after the decision. Having helped shut down bases and operations for the DOD, I know that sometimes, the activity temporarily increases for the shutdowns. So, the 2005 NIE may have been cognizant of this activity without knowing what it represented, and, assumed that progress toward building a weapon was continuing. True, it isn't great intelligence work, but little is 100% in that business.