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To: Road Walker who wrote (362815)	12/14/2007 12:10:35 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1588485

"Citi to take $49 bln in SIVs onto balance sheet" I'm not sure what that means. It seems like SIV'S are off the balance sheet when times are good, but on the balance sheet when times are bad. Seems like those SIV investors are special. When they're getting higher returns than everyone else, they're off balance sheet. But when they're taking huge losses, suddenly all of Citi's ordinary investors get to share the pain.

To: Road Walker who wrote (362815)	12/15/2007 3:13:24 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1588485

Goldman sees value in Citi debt after rating... By Walden Siew NEW YORK, Dec 14 (Reuters) - Goldman Sachs said on Friday that Citigroup Inc's bonds were poised to outperform after its debt rating was cut and it unveiled a plan to rescue $49 billion of off-balance sheet investments. Goldman (GS,Trade), the Wall Street bank that profited most from its contrarian bets on credit, advised clients that Citi's (C,Trade) bonds had become compellingly cheap after Moody's Investors Service cut Citigroup's credit rating for the second time in as many months. Moody's cited concerns over the bank's crumbling capital base as a result of the U.S. housing crisis for its one-notch cut late on Thursday to "Aa3," the fourth-highest grade. Moody's also said another downgrade, which raises borrowing costs, was possible if Citi fails to restore its capital ratios. The rating agency said it didn't factor in Citigroup's plans, announced hours earlier, to rescue $49 billion of structured investment vehicles. Citigroup plans to place the SIV assets on its balance sheet, which will further strain the firm's capital levels and may mean a U.S. government-endorsed "Super-SIV" bailout plan is no longer needed. For details, see [ID:nN13263160]. "They have not had success with the Super-SIV. So what are you going to do? It's the first act of the new chairman," said Carl Kaufman, portfolio manager at Osterweis Capital Management in San Francisco. "It's right to do and the right thing for the market." Citigroup's shares fell as much as 1.9 percent in early New York trading on the ratings news. They rose later on reports of that Goldman raised its call on Citi's debt to "outperform" from "in-line." The brokerage said it still believes that Citigroup will retain its double-A ratings at all agencies, even though S&P and Fitch could downgrade it by another notch to low double-A. [ID:nN14308570] Goldman said it believes the newly appointed Chief Executive Vikram Pandit will take appropriate action to raise capital levels in the first quarter either through additional third-party investments, dividend cuts or reduced risk-weighted assets. MOODY'S Moody's analyst Sean Jones said weak earnings at Citigroup would prevent it from restoring capital ratios quickly even after it raised $7.5 billion from the Gulf emirate of Abu Dhabi in November. The agency suggested ways the bank could rebuild, including raising more outside capital and reducing its dividend. A growing number of analysts see Citi as likely to reduce its dividend, which costs the bank about $2.7 billion a quarter. Standard & Poor's also said Citigroup credit ratings are "unaffected" by its decision to consolidate its SIVs. Still, Citigroup's "AA" ratings, the third highest, are on review for a ratings cut, S&P said on Friday. SIVs are off-balance-sheet vehicles set up by banks to invest in mortgage-backed bonds. Those securities have tumbled in value in the wake of a collapse in U.S. subprime mortgages, or loans made to people with poor or non-existent credit records. Citigroup's 6.125 percent notes due in 2017 gained on Friday. The spread, or yield premium investors demand to hold its bond over Treasuries, narrowed by 3 basis points to 168 basis points, according to MarketAxess data. The subprime mess already has hit ratings on a number of the world's leading banks and securities firms. UBS ((UBSN.VX)), Merrill Lynch (MER,Trade) and Bear Stearns (BSC,Trade) have all had their credit ratings chopped by various ratings agencies. Citigroup may be more vulnerable to a ratings downgrade because it funds itself through the corporate debt markets more than its rivals, which have better access to lower-cost deposits. However, ratings analysts have said that many banks are entering the credit downturn from a position of strength, having spent the past few years selling risk from their balance sheets to investors. One analyst said Citigroup was starting to come to grips with its problems by taking its SIV onto its books. "I don't think it's Citi's most pressing problem, but it's one thing that's out of the way before Father Christmas comes down the chimney," said Alan Webborn at SG Securities in London. (Additional reporting by Richard Barley and Maya Thatcher in London, Christian Plumb, Dan Wilchins and Richard Leong in New York; Editing by Tom Hals)