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To: combjelly who wrote (363129)	12/16/2007 10:40:31 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1586434

"Why don't some speak up when other liberals try to keep ROTC out of colleges?" Haven't seen any here. A dodge. There's no denying many liberals are so opposed. "BTW how did he come to be arrested? " Simple. He had a private prison where he was "interrogating" people he had picked up. But if he were implementing American policy, why would he have any problem? "They aren't being tortured. " Maybe not at the moment. They might have stopped the waterboarding, although it isn't certain. According to the WSJ, they did waterboard at least three at gitmo. No, a total of three were waterboarded. But not at Gitmo. "How long it takes is irrelevant to the issue of POW status." But, they aren't POWs. So this isn't really relevant, now is it? Do you agree they shouldn't be given POW status? "The answer to your question is tt can take a long time. " Umm, right. It has been 6 years. Given that they know we have them in custody, why would they keep the same procedures, same tactics and other things that would make their information relevant? I posted information on that. If you are oblivious to it, thats your problem. The issue of raising this is to suggest they should be freed. Are you for that or not? "That is the definition the administration uses." No it isn't. Now true, it does mention those groups, but it then goes beyond that. Who has been declared enemy combatants who doesn't meet that description? "Kenneth Pollack said so and he had pretty good credentials. " And he has also been indicted for giving information to AIPAC. Which sort of calls into question his objectivity on issues that concern Israel. His later indictment on another matter doesn't change the historic fact he had good credentials and forecast Iraq would have nukes soon. He was not alone in the intelligence world in thinking that. "Nevertheless, the weapons are so dangerous, the threat needs to be taken seriously, not dismissed cavalierly as liberals are wont to do." No one ever said threats shouldn't be taken seriously. But invading countries on the off chance they might be developing nuclear weapons either now or in the future is just plain nuts. It wasn't an off chance. Iraq had tried to develop nukes before. Had some enriched uranium and stockpiles of yellowcake. And Saddam had a history of using weapons in his possession - he used chemical and bio weapons for example. "You make it sound like they were rebels against "the church"." No. They were rebelling against the current power structures. Of which, the Church most certainly was. There you go again, sneakily trying to depict them as rebels against the church. They were not and you can't provide any evidence to support that. All you can do is word your replies in a way that misrepresents their opinion. If they were rebels against the "church" they wouldn't have taken such a friendly stance toward open calls for religious fidelity. "Not something a bunch of secular free thinkers would say." Define "secular". Wanting to ban public displays of religion by any government official. For example, mentions of God in oaths, oaths taken on Bibles, opening prayers, etc. Note the language, "creator". The Deists, who used that kind of language, believe in a God who is very different from the Christian God. Or most any others, for that matter. We know only one of the FF's was a Deist though. So thats irrelevant. Christians also consider God the creator.