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To: Brumar89 who wrote (363442)	12/18/2007 4:11:28 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573927

Washington said we are not a Christian nation. And Jefferson, Lincoln, Madison, Paine, Lincoln, Franklin and many others said variations of the same thing. You have to remember that one reason America was founded was to break away from not just monarchal tyranny (corporate Bushie elitists being the current version) but religious tyranny. That's why they invented total freedom of religion (including the right to believe in 20 Gods or no God as Jefferson said) and clearly stated that church and state should be separate. "One Nation Under God" or "In God We Trust" is a broad term which acknowledges a deity, but not any specific religion. Almost all religions believe in God. But God is simply a word for the great unknown and goodness of it. It's no accident the words God and Good are so similar. It's also true that no one in the history of mankind has ever been able to describe what/who God might be. Nobody. That's why they worshipped human prophets instead. God is the big question mark and only God knows if he/it has any interest in the way we behave or who/what we worship or don't worship.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (363442)	12/18/2007 6:20:39 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573927

Washington didn't say that. You're quoting a letter written by a later President to one of the Barbary states, when we were paying tribute to them. I don't think you know what you're talking about: "Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible. These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe." infidels.org