To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (110227 ) 12/18/2007 6:34:33 PM From: Knighty Tin Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 132070 I don't think religion is always against women. Wicca can be pretty tough on us fellas. They always invite us to orgies that turn into torture sessions. Or is it just me? <G> That girls story is sickening. First, the idea that being married for a few months several different times at a nice fee (for somebody else) is o.k. That's nutso. Who do they think they are, Liz Taylor or Henry VIII? Then, it's her fault when she's raped at 6? They treat the girls badly in many poor countries. Thailand comes to mind right away. But, at least they don't blame the girl for her situation. In Huckleberry's "submission of women" quote, he is quoting the Apostle Paul in what is almost certainly NOT a quote from Paul. Most scholars rate that quote as highly improbable to be part of the original letter. Another quote where Paul tells women to be silent in church is also unlikely to be authentic. Why? Because in many of his letters, Paul tells church members to accept the teaching of various women. Prisca, or Priscilla, is the senior missionary of a husband/wife preaching team, commissioned by Paul and sent to many of his churches. She corrected the doctrine of the brilliant, charismatic preacher, Apollos, who accepted her knowledge as though it came from Paul himself. How she remained silent while doing this is hard to fathom. Junia was a Christian before Paul was and he counts her as "one of the greatest apostles." So, Paul is either schizo, or his letters have been "made better" by later scribes. Since several letters that claim to be Paul's (Timothy, Titus, Thessalonians) were almost certainly not, the scribe theory seems more likely than schizophrenia. If Huckleberry went to a Seminary, he should know this stuff. BTW, I am not defending Paul. I have a lot of problems with his logic, much of it is illogical, and his warping of the message of Jesus. But, that being said, we ought to not blame him for saying something he almost certainly didn't say. The Huckster's attitude about Aids reminds me of a co-star of "Wise Guy," the actor who played Sonny Steelgrave, and played him brilliantly. He said that everyone with Aids should be exiled to a desered island somewhere. Guess what he died of?