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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: American Spirit who wrote (19599)	12/20/2007 10:55:27 AM
From: tonto	Respond to of 224769

Christ would not want communism because of once again, if we look at how it actually works instead of the fantasy dream, it is against religion. Communism - Atheism and Amorality Communism doesn't end with economic and political reform. By definition, it further demands the abolition of both Religion and the Absolute Morality founded upon Religion. The irony is that Communism supposedly attempts to enhance civility within society, but removes all notions of Absolute Morality, the very cornerstone of civility. Furthermore, after Communism is instituted by the people, the system becomes Totalitarian, resulting in greater oppression of the people it was designed to "serve." This fact is well documented throughout the history of Communist nations.

To: American Spirit who wrote (19599)	12/20/2007 10:56:21 AM
From: tonto	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224769

Not true. So our democracy and main religion both have dashes of communism in them. Under Communism, the government is absolute. Under Stalin, perhaps the most notorious Communist, around 40 million Russian citizens were murdered for "the good of the state."

To: American Spirit who wrote (19599)	12/20/2007 12:58:09 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 224769

..Marx, but I don't believe he wanted a police state ...That was all stuff the Soviet generals and party bosses made up when they started abusing their power. Am I not right? No. He and Engels wrote about the dictatorship of the proletariat. "The first step on the path to the workers' revolution is the elevation of the proletariat to the position of ruling class. The proletariat will gain from its political domination by gradually tearing away from the bourgeoisie all capital, by centralizing all means of production in the hands of the State ..." The Communist Manifesto Lenin implemented it when the Communists took over the Russian empire. My guess is that Marx was just talking about how instead of 1% rich and 99% poor the society would be better off with a huge middleclass or lower-middleclass. Marx, Engels, Lenin all despised the bourgeoisie ie. the middle class. The destruction of the middle class, usually a physical destruction, is the first thing communists do when they get power. And remember in those days poor often meant starving to death. Ironically in North Korea they're now starving to death. Of course, Lenin and Stalin deliberatly induced famines to starve independent minded populations into submission. N Korea is just doing what communists have done before. communism is exactly what Jesus Christ would suggest, everything shared equally. Christ was all about sharing and sharing alike, loving neighbors as thyself, everybody equal. Jesus did not lay out an economic or political program. "My kingdom is not of this world." Jesus to Pilate