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To: Lou Weed who wrote (252244)	12/24/2007 5:13:50 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I am all for conversation and new energy sources but i think we might be kidding ourselves into thinking we can reverse this warming trend by next christmas. (g). What we are seeing now imo is a combination of man made warming and other events that occur naturally in spite of us. I think the arguement between nadine and the green folks is that point.

To: Lou Weed who wrote (252244)	12/24/2007 5:28:20 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I'd be willing to have corporations sacrifice a little to accomplish less polluting of MY planet.... You speak as if corporations inhabited some other global economy, not the one you share in. If they are burdened with huge unproductive costs to reduce emission of co2, their pain will soon be yours as unemployment rises. The proper way to look at is in cost-benefit terms. Bjorn Lomberg (who does not btw quarrel with the basic GW thesis) does use his training as an economist to point out that Kyoto amounts to paying millions in premiums for an insurance policy that will pay out only thousands in benefits, if it even pays out at all. Google him and look at his work.

To: Lou Weed who wrote (252244)	12/24/2007 5:31:46 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

By the way, i think that some of the greenies including you look at problems of the world (sometimes) in a marxian way. Like in the big bad corporations...Thats at the heart of the anti-globalist argument too and today Krugman was attacking corps for beating back unions and of course union thinking is usually unabashadly marxist. Marxism is great until you realize it goes against the nature of man while capitalism seems ugly and rapacious until you look at your 401k and smile.