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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (252880)1/3/2008 5:08:05 AM
From: c.hinton  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!re

ps. and by the way in general one does know there is a recession until one is in one.
pss only a fool would think things will improve in a flash.
psss if hundred dollar oil is so easy to live with then kyote would have been a breeze.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (252880)1/3/2008 5:42:48 AM
From: c.hinton  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
google "chances of a recession"...mind you the opinions are from all those liberals left wingers at the fed, goldmansachs and other wall street looney left financial institutions



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (252880)1/3/2008 6:23:15 AM
From: c.hinton  Respond to of 281500
 
re..4.9%growth..oops ..nadine you are living in the past...wake up a smell the economy.

"Growth for all 2008 is projected at 2.3 percent."

Fed Officials Cut Growth Outlook at Last Meeting, Minutes Show
By Scott Lanman

Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve officials lowered their economic growth outlook for 2008 and agreed to be ``exceptionally alert'' as they decided to reduce interest rates by a quarter-point at last month's meeting.

Policy makers ``agreed on the need to remain exceptionally alert to economic and financial developments and their effects on the outlook,'' the Federal Open Market Committee said in records of the Dec. 11 session, released today in Washington. ``Members would be prepared to adjust the stance of monetary policy if prospects for economic growth or inflation were to worsen.''

Fed officials anticipated growth that was ``somewhat more sluggish'' than they anticipated in October, while refraining from signaling a bias to lower rates further, citing ``heightened uncertainty.'' By contrast, traders anticipate another reduction this month and a fifth straight cut at the March meeting to stave off recession.

Some FOMC members said the chance of further tightening of lending standards may restrain economic expansion and ``require a substantial further easing of policy.'' At the same time, officials judged that a rapid improvement in financial conditions would mean ``a reversal of some of the rate cuts might become appropriate,'' the minutes showed.

The quarter-point cut disappointed investors seeking a larger move and caused the biggest stock sell-off after a Fed decision since Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, 54, took office in 2006. Bernanke, approaching the midpoint of his four-year term, has sought to separate the Fed's strategies of extending the six-year economic expansion and alleviating financial strains.

Rate Expectations

Traders increased bets today the Fed will lower the target rate for overnight loans between banks by a half-point to 3.75 percent on Jan. 29. The likelihood rose to 24 percent, from zero yesterday, based on contracts quoted on the Chicago Board of Trade. Futures show a 76 percent chance of a quarter-point move.

Investors anticipate that policy makers will lower borrowing costs further to help sustain the six-year economic expansion. The Institute of Supply Management today reported that its gauge of U.S. manufacturing slumped to the weakest in almost five years.

Signs of distress in bank funding and credit markets have diminished since the Fed acted in concert with counterparts in Europe to inject funds into money markets. The Fed, European Central Bank, Swiss National Bank, Bank of England and Bank of Canada announced the initiative a day after the FOMC meeting.

The premium of three-month dollar loans between banks over U.S. Treasury bills maturing in the same period fell today to the lowest in almost two months. The so-called ted spread has fallen as the three-month London Interbank Offered Rate for the dollar dropped to 4.68 percent from 5.13 percent Dec. 10.

Funding Tool

The U.S. central bank last month introduced a new tool, the Term Auction Facility, to provide funds to banks beyond the one- day maturity in the federal funds market. The Fed held two auctions totaling $40 billion and plans two this month, with continued sales ``for as long as necessary,'' the Fed said Dec. 21.

Fed officials also announced Dec. 12 a $24 billion swap-line with the ECB and Swiss National Bank to help meet demand for dollars among banks in Europe. Some economists questioned why the Fed waited a day before announcing the step, instead of indicating its plans in the Fed statement the day before.

Today's minutes disclosed that the FOMC and Board of Governors discussed the auctions and swaps in a Dec. 6 conference call, and the FOMC wasn't unanimous in endorsing the plans. St. Louis Fed President William Poole dissented from the swaps agreement, saying they were ``unnecessary'' because of the size of the ECB's dollar reserves.

Board Vote

The Board of Governors approved the auction facility in a Dec. 10 notation vote, the minutes showed.

``A few'' officials ``questioned the need for and the likely efficacy of the proposal, expressed concerns about about the longer-run incentive effects of a TAF, and felt that the possible drawbacks could well outweigh any benefits,'' minutes of the Dec. 6 call said.

The U.S. economy, the world's largest, grew at a 1 percent pace in the fourth quarter after expanding at a 4.9 percent rate the previous three months, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News last month. Growth for all 2008 is projected at 2.3 percent.

The Fed's statement last month said that ``some inflation risks remain.''

Inflation, measured by the Commerce Department's personal consumption expenditures price index minus food and energy, was 2.2 percent in November, the highest since March. Fed officials in October forecast the ``core'' gauge will rise 1.6 percent to 1.9 percent in 2010, an indication of their preferred longer-term range.

Oil Climbs

Today, crude oil futures rose to a record $100 in New York, while gold reached $863.10, the highest for a most-active contract since January 1980, on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange.

While Fed policy makers expected core inflation to ``trend down a bit over the next few years,'' officials were still ``concerned about upside risks to inflation stemming from elevated prices of energy and non-energy commodities; some also cited the weaker dollar.''

Housing figures show the industry has yet to indicate a bottom to the slump, now in its third year. In November, sales of new homes fell more than economists forecast to a 12-year low, while sales of previously owned homes unexpectedly rose only as prices declined, reports showed the past week.

``Participants agreed that the housing correction was likely to be both deeper and more prolonged than they had anticipated in October,'' the minutes said.

Investors may get more detail on the Fed's direction in remarks from Vice Chairman Donald Kohn tomorrow at a conference in New Orleans. In November, Kohn reinforced forecasts for a December rate cut by highlighting concern about ``deterioration'' in financial markets.

Also, the Labor Department on Jan. 4 releases its monthly employment report, among the most closely watched releases for Fed officials and economists.

To contact the reporter on this story: Scott Lanman in Washington at slanman@bloomberg.net



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (252880)1/3/2008 9:33:42 AM
From: Lou Weed  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<<all the countries of the EU are in better fiscal shape than the US with lower debt and higher per capita income.>>

Where in the MSM are you seeing that ALL EU countries are in better fiscal shape? Do you have any examples to support this statement?

Not ALL countries in the EU have higher per capita income, however 5 do. The US is ranked #6 with Europe representing 8 of the top 10.

finfacts.com

Looks like the MSM is correct with regards to debt......

en.wikipedia.org

You should visit Europe some time Nadine.....you might just be surprised at how affluent the "old world" is.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (252880)1/3/2008 11:06:45 AM
From: Lou Weed  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Here's another interesting chart......

en.wikipedia.org

It shows purchasing power parity (PPP). The IMF and CIA charts are more recent (2006). What's interesting from my personal point of view is how far Ireland has come in the last 20 years. Wonder if its because I left?!?!?



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (252880)1/3/2008 1:03:05 PM
From: Peter Dierks  Respond to of 281500
 
"Lou Dobbs, in a moment of candor, recently admitted that the economy would be reported as being "very strong" if Hillary were in the White House now."

ROTFL - He will be ostracised for honesty. That is something only liberals could do.